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Your your your response truth about -- through all through all the and there yeah well who was a reference there are -- We have -- -- -- that and to respond to Ali -- -- as someone who was involved in that the drafting of Alabama's -- to.
It does not prohibit a priest from from providing assistance indeed a lot very clearly allows humanitarian assistance but it's certainly not harbor you cannot harbor or -- I -- irritation it right transportation and harboring in an apartment building is prohibited by federal law it's been -- I had a lot more providing hesitation.
Providing as it is.
As this transporting any illegal alien in the United States knowing that further -- transporting him will further.
His remaining unlawfully present you have to be knowingly doing all of this so basically under -- so that -- recess which is -- on the -- and act like an immigration agent I'm sorry go it.
No not now not all the -- -- the -- doesn't know the -- doesn't -- and in just providing one night sheltered unknowingly is now of course.
About estimate that federal law has made clear.
That smuggling and harboring are crimes under federal law and with the Supreme Court said two weeks ago was.
If the state wants to mirror federal law and prohibit the same behavior -- federal law prohibits.
A state may do that and so that's what we did in Alabama.
As far as the public education plan I think and economic to me this what may -- -- Of that the new Alabama what does not deny K through twelve education to an illegal alien in -- -- clearly allows an illegal loan to continue going to school for free.
But what it does is it counts for the first time a state we'll try to actually get a grip on the numbers and figure how much taxpayers are paying.
-- -- -- for illegal aliens to receive that Republicans occasion and the Supreme Court in 1982.
In directly said that -- state candy that he said Texas which didn't count.
Had failed to present enough evidence to the court back in that case so Alabama is counting something the Supreme Court has said is perfectly fine but.
Let me let me turn -- to this issue with the new law in Arizona announcement being signed into law by the governor there with the decision on.
Not to hear the case of that in effect leaves.
The the preferential.
Treatment for -- the preferential treatment of illegal immigrants and in state tuition California.
There's still seems to be a considerable area here for compromise.
On this issue and -- black and I'd like to -- and understand.
Given the fact that we have so many people unemployed underemployed.
We're given up looking for jobs and many of those by the way are in fact illegal immigrants in this country right now.
How -- we to come to terms with this issue how can we best and I and a -- -- wouldn't leave one thing on the side.
I understand there's a federal solution require that that congress must at some point -- On some proposal.
But for right now what would what would make sense as a way to resolve this in the and then most urgent.
Manner.
The most effective manner the most humane matter and I find -- to begin with -- about -- I think that.
The states are clearly the best indicator of what can occur again education is a state issue.
I believe that Texas has gotten this right and the Republicans have led with Democrats defied a reasonable solution governor Perry signed legislation.
And I think states.
Should should really -- that effort and let the states decide what is best for them and taxes I think we've gotten it right.
So to find a solution unfortunately.
This is not -- -- happened in Washington DC quickly enough.
So we're going to have to see what the laboratory experiments have fifty different states are doing on the issue when it comes to public education and higher education due date which.
Do you agree only.
I don't agree and and and I know you wanted to set this aside -- -- with all due respect I'm not sure -- you can set aside the urgent need for federal solution -- A -- set aside -- are setting aside it does.
-- it's been demonstrated record it is being held by the Supreme Court that state solutions.
Will prevail so long as there -- alignment with the existing federal law.
By misstating than anyone of -- attorneys and correct me here.
The -- hold in their hands the possibility of a solution.
Irrespective of the politics than that and and them.
And frankly the mindless repetitive nonsense in Washington DC.
And I would love to hear your articulation of a solution that each state could repair -- as a standard.
For solving.
OK well I think and I think that states should be putting forward solutions that.
Very clearly prioritize their enforcement resources so that their local law enforcement resources are going after criminals who are are are committing.
Serious crimes of violent crimes drug trafficking it's -- and use the criminal justice system.
To detain arrest those people and if there immigrants and they've committed those -- -- crimes they should remove removed.
So the first piece -- first states to prioritize they're law enforcement resources.
Number to put into place programs that.
Per provide opportunities for education so that young people are immigrants can get the education in the opportunities -- they need to become.
Contributing members of society.
And then finally to put into place.
The integration program so that immigrants can learn English because they all want to learn English they all and they they came to this country because they believe.
And our ideals and they they want to learn our language so governors.
And state legislatures can take those steps to to.
-- the integration opportunities so people can learn English and then finally you know that program like Utah's -- start to look at that you talk.
Labor workforce and understanding what labour force is needed needs to be examined.
And -- under attack from my some of the very forces that one would've thought we've been supporting.
What is a very rational.
And moderate program Ali thanks we'll be turned -- -- about you get the last word here.
Well I think maybe we see a little bit of agreement here among among us that the states are laboratory -- a series of fifty laboratories.
And they can actually test solutions.
Now you mentioned live aid the desire to have a humane solution.
And I think one thing I hope we all can agree on is its more humane for an illegal alien household.
To leave on their own will to decide you know what I think we did a cost benefit analysis it's not worth it anymore for us to keep breaking federal law and remaining in the United States.
And so what states like Alabama and Arizona are trying to do is they're trying to change the cost benefit analysis and encourage people to self deport if you will say you know it's just too hard to get a job here.
That's a more humane solution then.
Breaking and in the middle of the night arresting them.
Putting them through a trial procedure and then leading -- out in handcuffs so to speak so I think the extent that we give these states simply wait and see if it works in an Arizona it is working.
To encourage people to leave on their own accord that's a good idea -- encourage people to comply with the law and really that's what a country where the rule of law prevails -- all about.
And as you say fifty states laboratories all through work toward a solution.
That is rational effective and humane.
-- thanks we appreciate your continued.
Leadership of the national conversation on.
