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A one man who has warned us about all of this is running for president to change all of the and he joins us now that is congressman.
-- ran that's what scares me the most about obamacare he does increase the cult worship power of the fans is that what worries you the most.
There's no doubt about it but yes that's the main thing.
But I know the consequence of allowing governments to do that to coerce us into -- programs like this.
It dead diminishes the quality that means that you can expect -- you already mentioned that doctors are quitting in the fewer will want to go and so the quality of care if that's the goal.
They destroy everything they destroy the the our freedoms of choice.
It costs a lot more and it destroys the quality.
And they still argued that if the other humanitarian.
It's that's what god loves me is a fact that they take they.
They take the moral high ground -- than we who believe in freedom and liberty and good quality care and know how to get prizes and a then they -- -- on caring that's that's the subject we have to fire away for those who don't know this man is also a medical doctor is not only a congress -- would you.
Would you go into medicine again today if you were just starting out knowing that we may be moving toward socialized medicine.
Well I thought we -- moving in that direction even long time ago when we -- and of course when I got out of medical school I did not we did we did not have Medicare Medicaid.
But I stayed in Madison that and I dealt with this by not participating in the programs.
But now -- you don't have much -- is now I have three of mice children have become physicians.
I neither encourage them -- disc version because they went in the medicine for the right reasons so it's a shame.
To want to be a doctor in and help your fellow man.
At the same time you have to be put and you know putting up with -- bureaucracy in authoritarianism.
And and undermining the very call -- practice that you wanted to and one of protest participate and sent to me as a real tragedy you know people do have vocations obviously become a doctor it's not just about money but.
But you don't want to spend your life fighting a bureaucracy instead of fighting to save lives that's why a lot of people are turning -- for -- Yeah it is but the need to not discourage people too much but I agree we can -- a 100%.
The federal government is bearing down on all of us everywhere on everything that we do what he wanted to be a quality schoolteacher.
And have a little bit of creativity and -- you have to do you an -- -- all your time teaching No Child Left Behind so.
Where it's were all in this together -- -- I stayed off the committees have dealt with medical.
Problems purposely because I didn't -- want people think I went there to make sure the government's -- out of Madison.
Because I guess the principle of liberty it affects all of us whether it's medicine or education or business we know all about all the regulations -- monetary system so if you're honest broker -- you know it's pretty tough but you know trying to figure out what the government's.
And I wanted to hear your point about education I was I was teaching a late seventies just just a couple of months really after the implementation Department of Education even then.
We were being forced to use teaching methods that all of the teachers agreed were working.
But we had to use and just -- that we can get the federal grants from the Department of Education so even way back thirty years ago.
Department that was standing in the way of good education -- okay let's talk about some of that -- -- powers that the government now has and how.
How we might change -- how you might change it -- how you would like to change if you become president first of all the IRS I forget rid of the whole band institution what about you.
I wish you and I valued I have something I've introduced over the many years -- held the liberty amendment gets rid of the sixteenth amendment gets -- IRS but also.
Prohibits the after three years and -- get federal government can't participate in any thing.
That is designed for the private sector to take care of and it's not -- in the constitution.
Because you can't you can't really expect to solve our problem of the IRS and heavy taxation.
Unless we changed the appetite of the people for big government you know the big argument now is how many people want entitlements how many people wind quit paying for the entitlements right now are still a lot of people -- -- -- -- for their entitlements and that they think they have entitlements and our considered rights.
By nearly half of the people.
So let me just make sure I understand -- -- -- before we we we put forth getting rid of the iris.
We have to convince the American public those who have become accustomed to government help that they shouldn't get job.
Well -- No I think he you do and to -- I insisted did if you and I had a program where we're just gonna get rid of the income tax.
You know and we don't cut spending and cut the appetite for big government it's not gonna happen -- say we.
35 or 43%.
That won't solve our promise -- appetite.
For money come from I said that that makes a big difference and I -- long term the people in this country have did ask that question.
What should the role of government billion for me is to defend liberty and now now I'm not to run a welfare state and not to.
He's the world you know a lot of those questions are so I've seen all those -- -- -- -- about the polls saying that.
You know essentially Americans are too stuck on there -- -- what they get from the government to get rid of it.
But it's though it very often it's the way he asked the question if you ask if you had a choice between it no income tax or no prior arrests.
And some of the benefits that you're now getting from government I bet people would choose no -- I mean maybe maybe I'm wrong but that's what I think.
Yeah you know I think you might be right in one angle that I've tried some in my speeches.
Is to say that you know the governments and everybody -- you you now have to sacrifice for us to get back on our feet again.
I keep thinking.
Oh what are we got rid of the income tax he got to keep everything in deregulate the economy in and change the whole system.
I don't think a lot of people would feel like -- satellite and it felt like a burden is off their shoulders so with say wow this it's pretty good so.
The only people who would have to sacrifice are the ones who are living off their neighbor or living off somebody else who have to work -- have to work for a living.
Doctor Paul -- who were almost that time I just got asked one question about the debt ceiling.
If if the vote is not made to increase the debt ceiling what goes for its and we run out of my what goes first.
Our payment to our bond holders are our creditors or spending what do you think will be cut first.
But I don't think they'll cut the payments to the bond holders and I'm predicting they're gonna raise the debt limit because they're going to.
-- you know drum up enough fear thereby you have to capitulate and then there will be a pretends they're gonna cut spending but -- say it doesn't happen.
I think guys they could just say -- they could make an announcement we gonna reassure the bond -- -- are gonna pay you first.
Which -- that they're gonna have to shortchange somebody else you think you know and that's when.
That's when it's going to be tough and that's the reason why I don't think.
It's going to happen and I don't think they're rating cut and I personally I won't vote for the debt increase even if -- promises.
That five to ten years out we're going to be serious and cut the deficit hovered too many of those promises yet the cut it now the only budget accounts is this year.
And this year our obligation is going to go up five trillion dollars when you -- up everything you know don't trust these promises they don't amount to much doctor Paul great to see again thank you for being here appreciate it.
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