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Paul Watson says he risked his life to protect endangered species but to the Japanese government he's an eco terrorist and anti capitalists not.
The drama of -- -- confrontational crusade against Japanese whaling ships is a subject of the television reality series whale wars and we welcome.
Captain Paul Rogers founder of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society joining him is Matt Smith.
An army veteran and whale wars crew member good to see -- -- well they may think you and you're not but.
-- almost single handedly shut down.
The Japanese whaling business -- We did shut them down we sent them home month and a half -- I don't think you're be coming back.
They were killing whales in the Southern Ocean whale sanctuary and a we demonstrated to them that we can shut them down what does it say by the way -- how how would you define your work.
Do you say that on your passport I mean is it that simple yes absolutely it is because it -- you go beyond I mean obviously for those folks who haven't seen this show that it is there a compelling.
Showed witness because what you do is literally put yourself.
Very often between the whale and the -- that's going after what we shut down their operations by stopping their ability to load dead whales on if they can't low whales they can't kill whales.
And that we also we stay within the boundaries law we don't injure anybody and I think where we're quite responsible did you or any of your fellow crew -- are we got hurt.
I got hurt but I didn't myself I fell down the stairs that say it was a freak accident yeah and there was one there was one episode by the way word where they were firing these water cans pretty heavy flow and somebody got -- -- -- I think -- not a not a major injury.
-- water cans are very high power I mean if you know.
If they had any of the crew it's generally and black and blue for at least a few -- aren't -- captain if if you were successful at shutting down the whale industry at least the Japanese version Whalen should.
What goals do you have beyond that are you just for saving whales -- because sometimes I hear you talk about.
Economic stuff at the way the world works and and it it seems that you have a goal beyond that well when I talk about that and talk about the -- -- of extinction Wear their white you know species to make money because as -- diminish the species.
-- the price goes up for instance bluefin tuna so if you stockpile the bluefin tuna.
The less are in the ocean degraded the price in the warehouses but what would you do we if you had your choice and you controlled the United States government for example what policies would you change to fit your views so wouldn't change any policy -- just enforce existing laws that we have that's all we need we have all the laws and regulations and treaties we need to protect our oceans are just -- -- and -- because.
Very often people have have what I would cancer be draconian solutions have you know just having the government come in and saying.
To all the people all the fishermen that are out there you can do this you can't do that making the rules even more onerous than they already are.
You what do you think about that.
I think it's right I think it down the laws are already there and I personally I think it's -- that down civilians such as ourselves we have to ban.
Together and go out and actually do the job of the government's.
Go ahead -- next week my ships are going into the Libyan war zone why because poachers are coming in to take advantage of that war to take bluefin tuna.
And we -- working with the European Union and any fishing boat we find in there we're gonna cut the nets and release the -- as a Warsaw amenities start shooting.
Well yeah but we don't have to -- but the Libyans do with.
It but at the same time it.
If it makes you wonder what's more important human life horror or the -- of the the beings are trying to save embassy there all interconnected if the if the fish got the oceans that coaches that we -- but you don't think that there is there is level of imports are worth the top of the food chain now.
I think that there's.
There's two types -- kinds -- species on this planet passengers and crew.
And -- and the crew are the ones that run this planet and if we lose them we die and those are everything for the bacteria to the worms -- the -- we think are more important and we are.
Because you know for instance I I got criticized for saying worms are more important people.
Why did say that.
Because weren't can live here without us we can't leave here without them we need them they don't need us yeah but I mean -- as as a human being I'm willing to -- -- my life is worth more than a worms life given up all the weren't disappeared you wouldn't have a life.
But -- what we can we can make sure that all the worms don't disappear well that's what we're trying to do here.
But then again when it where is there -- other views -- -- for example on me you're against anybody eating meat right.
Well I think that the meat industry is very destructive and deference is 40% of all of the -- has taken out of the -- fed to livestock so -- now -- sharks and chickens and a major -- credit but should we outlaw are killing and eating meat.
-- we're not saying outlaw them I'm just saying I'm just trying to point out the fact.
That were destroyed our oceans to raise chickens and and pigs by the way where you guys go now if in fact the -- stops partly as a result of what you've been doing what do you do next.
To shippers got a lot of campaigns.
January through December.
The bluefin tuna campaign the Ferrell islands the Canadian seal -- I think I think Paul definitely has a full full plate.
You do you have -- order of importance there what we're working in partnership also with the Ecuador and federal police have in the park Rangers had to defend the Galapagos Islands from poachers and we're trying to protect a lot of these islands systems like allow -- -- and that from sharpening operations they don't have the ability to enforce their own regulations because they don't have the resources so we offer our -- Again it's not it's not that you want government to take over control of what happens in the private sector as much as huge mr.
trying to enforce laws that are already on the books -- we have these laws that's that's that's that I could go away if it's the idea of of going -- we we saw how bad it.
The Soviet Union was for example as a Steward of the environment is one of the messy as most destructive.
Governments on in the history of birth in terms of how they polluted the waters and polluted their children all kinds of ways.
And that was a socialist system you're not for a socialist government control system nod I don't have left wing agenda.
A you know I know some Japanese policy -- terrorists my answer to that is look either restless or shut up.
I haven't broken any laws -- the bottom line is you want.
-- -- -- -- I mean -- that Japanese whaling industry is to announcer congratulations on that.
And on the new season better have your -- thank you very much for being here appreciate it it's on Discovery Channel by the way an animal plant Animal Planet excuse me discoveries your competitor right no discovery on that at all.
Far apart a -- experts say congratulations OK so what would that thanks for their.
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