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More now on our top story nearly ten years into the war in Afghanistan and the longest running conflict in American history.
US officials have reportedly accelerated direct negotiations with the Taliban.
Joining us now Pulitzer Prize winning journalist author Fox News contributor Judith Miller and from Washington DC the former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit.
And author Michael sure.
Good to have you both here Judy -- start there with you direct negotiations.
With the Taliban direct talks.
What is -- in your judgment the efficacy of us a.
Talks well I think this is how it ends Lou I mean EI and -- General Petraeus here who -- it when he was asked about.
Talks with Taliban said this is how classic counter -- always and you bring around.
Those among the enemy who are irreconcilable.
You make a deal with -- they respect the terms of the agreement which in this case.
Would be laying down arms agreeing to respect the Afghan constitution.
And of course having no ties to al-Qaeda or any militant group and you bring them into the fold and President Karzai accepts -- that's the.
Only way this thing can't patent and they accept Karzai.
Well yes -- have jail I mean they can challenge and then an election as you know as you play without the injured one wonders why we didn't do this much of.
Not hot -- well it's turning out to be harder than we thought to bring the Taliban around.
Michael sure your thoughts is this these direct.
Talks are these direct talks that you do you believe to be productive.
Only if we're willing to surrender and I think that's probably what they're up to hear the Taliban is people say what do they want what does it what do they want to join the government.
-- how about wants power.
We know we've admitted we're leaving the Taliban has the whip hand here.
If we leave Karzai is dead along with his government.
It it's just an untenable situation we watched all of this Lou during the Soviet.
Invasion and occupation of Afghanistan.
With the death of bin Laden.
The Taliban is now free from that -- -- this although they always protected him and they always supported him.
But the donations from Saudi Arabia from Kuwait from the United Arab Emirates are -- comeback.
The Taliban is gonna have more money than they had in a long time.
And end the Pakistan is of course cannot tolerate.
Anything that looks like Karzai's government in alliance with India.
And so there's no peace coming we may surrender but there won't be any kind of -- a coalition General Petraeus is simply talking through his.
Through his -- with the kind of social science science stuff he learned.
In the Ivy League.
And it never setting up bonuses that's what -- granados on the are focused now both the general have -- -- -- how you're shaking your head as Michael was suggesting that he's and here.
Well no I think there's every reason to be skeptical but I don't think that.
With the -- all with.
The party you've been fighting accepting the terms of the Americans lay down can be defined as.
Surrender and I would ask Michael -- whose work is extraordinarily.
High impressive on on bin Laden.
But I would ask him.
What is at another -- to what is the alternative ending because we can send -- a wonderful thing ever this is another.
When you're gonna ask -- could recommend Michael my I don't know how.
How does that yeah.
That's how does -- send.
And it ends with the Taliban government back in power in Kabul.
With with Karzai's government running away or dying in place.
And then with it's a some kind of a civil war it it's going to be -- mirror image of what happen.
When the Soviets left although I think the civil war will be the last -- announced.
But the United States that the Taliban knows the Taliban sees the world as it is and not like we do as we want -- to.
They know we don't have the will to lose more people and spend more money.
But what is -- article I mean if the goal -- near the goal is to stop al-Qaeda from.
Operating training bases there and if they agree to that -- I think I would say we declare victory and go home.
Well I think I think we're gonna go home -- Miller one way or another we're defeated there and if the Taliban says okay what will accept the we'll excel -- the constitution.
And quote we won't have training camps we believe that they -- -- the constitution and except training camps what are we gonna do.
I think that's the exchange between you two is illuminating for this audience -- and number wars.
-- -- -- -- of the fine line between victory and defeat is it would be defined in this engagement.
In what has now been the longest running conflict as I said in American history and I pathetically narrow.
-- line it is.
Let's turn to the issue of intermediate.
Missile bases in this hemisphere.
Are wrong constructing those four Hugo Chavez's Venezuela -- you're.
Hear your thoughts on how profoundly.
Important this development it.
Well Lou I think that we have -- in this situation before -- American history.
It did not end well for the people who were trying to.
I build those -- in Cuba.
I don't and you know what the Obama administration.
Is going to do about this because I think it's and relatively.
New policy issue for them to but I think they would have to regard this as -- very serious challenge to.
American hegemony in -- that we Michael your thoughts.
If it's true -- we simply use the Monroe doctrine we send the navy down there and we take out whatever whatever watching.
This is a violation of a fundamental if it's true and not -- who's coming so I'm not quite sure right.
But I I I believe we just take them out militarily without asking anybody's permission it's our security that's the end of the game.
Aren't sure thank you very much for being here Drew Miller thank --
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