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Couldn't we have how is it possible that the world's most wanted man was -- just a thousand feet from the military academy -- like Pakistan's version of -- West Point.
Joining us now general Jack mean so you're listening to this discussion so you tell us what you think do you think.
Any information that was gleaned from it enhanced interrogation.
Has made the world a safer place because -- -- is that now.
While certainly I mean take.
Just what we do -- KSM stopped.
Several operations from actually being conducted and let me be put -- along the side.
So we we clearly know that at least hundreds of lives -- -- thousands of lives.
Was saved as as a result of those technique issues with tea Sam.
And at the evidence continues to to come out on this -- -- if it clearly is they in fact be directly related to the killing bin Laden.
-- -- let let obviously so let me take you to my original question now how in the world this -- this million dollar compound and in the middle of it's a fairly desolate area sitting there.
A thousand feet from a military Pakistani military -- -- How is that how is that possible that bin Laden -- lived -- for six years without the pakistanis knowing.
But we got a lot took a lot of tough questions asked the pakistanis but.
We shouldn't rush took complete conclusions about it this and it's got to be a cover story in place as to what that compound is there.
A Colbert cover story that protects the identity.
Of the occupants in -- what their purposes.
All that said I find it hard to believe.
That someone in ISI.
-- -- services intelligence source someone high in the military.
Did not know the general vicinity or even the specific vicinity.
That bin Laden was sixty miles outside the capital of Islamabad so that's that to me it's just hard -- For me general French general don't be political on the right to me -- failure former army chief of staff go ahead you trust the facts that he's -- now.
I don't trust -- -- -- at all.
And the fact of the matter is that don't talk to me about -- -- political all right you can put that word out of my vocabulary.
Well I'm just I -- -- I'm -- to try to get it to the point or were you tell me whether or not we can trust the Pakistan is if we can't.
I don't know what's what's the next course of action -- yet we come out of Afghanistan that we look at the Pakistan is that as a potential threat.
Look at we have the -- the -- Pakistan as a country of strategic significance to us.
There and expanding nuclear program there's a raging insurgency in that country.
Which the al-Qaeda have identified.
Is their center of gravity to all the -- a Pakistani government.
That's a fact so Pakistan matters to us it's a country of strategic consequence.
Rather significantly compared to Afghanistan.
In terms of that consequence.
We need them to succeed him in Afghanistan because they're harboring those sanctuaries of the Afghan -- -- And that's what tension point with these guys.
And we've got a strained relationship with them to be sure this is gonna further strain our relationship what I think will come out of this is they will be defensive about this.
-- and to be quite frank about the fact they don't know about it is to -- the -- -- didn't know about the operation.
They welcome not because they don't have the faceless people course about the United States and on -- I'm not I'm not questioned whether or not they claim they -- -- they did not trump question -- eighteen and half billion dollars we've sent their way over the last nine years since nine elevenths.
Sure we got huge problems with the pakistanis and -- old apologists for.
For them whatsoever and quite frankly I've been speaking out against what they're doing it's horrific in the fact that -- directly aiding and abetting the sanctuaries.
In in Pakistan from which.
The talent on attack on a daily basis and kill line and many more soldiers as well as out and then there won't admit they -- on the same page not sorry I misunderstood your comment earlier hang on general -- I want to bring out to the panel by jumping.
But today it wanted to something that was really good general something that came out that they -- -- used to be.
Two bombers and dropped to 1000 pound bombs on a complex president.
All Obama stated he wanted him to go and and make sure they got it would it got could have they hit that would to 1000 pound bombs we would have little bits of days of my critics are.
-- out we needed to have.
That's number one and the only way you gonna do that you've got to get on the ground and secondly the thing that I'm comforted by I don't think this does say it was in the decision.
But I was a -- a lot of them in the Pentagon.
I lost 85 people to work for me this thing's been partial for a long time with me after attending 61 funerals.
The fact of the matter is this operation in terms of what what's happened in the bin Laden.
Is like this he has helicopters the roar of those helicopters -- almost like landing on top of them.
He knows what that is terror has taken over.
He -- pop pop pop pop.
And he knows -- guards -- start to go down.
Next thing he uses an Arab interrogated trying to control the situation on our behalf and then and then he -- American voices.
And what and in minutes after that there's an American standing in front of them and he knows he's gonna die right -- -- attend that his company.
That is something.
I gotta tell you reject -- is a guy who.
-- -- some critical.
Advice of George Bush that led George Bush to do the surge.
God knows what he's talking about and and I'm with him on this -- Pakistan needs.
Are up to their eyeballs in the Taliban but what are we going to do.
That's a nuclear armed nation you let the Taliban take over it's almost like Osama bin Laden have -- Nukes we got to deal with them as corrupt as they are.
As as as it is to listen that says they are.
As backstabbing is they are we have to deal with -- we can just walk away and say we're mad because they -- bin Laden lived there.
Good to say I think that's exactly right and where and it brings us event the larger picture picture what's going on in Afghanistan.
We have the pakistanis on one side who we can't trust and we have -- -- Karzai on the other side -- we also can't really trust so it's a very difficult situation.
And I don't think that there's any doubt if you look at the fact that there -- a lot of information came out from Wiki leaks of ISI a officers knowing of the -- whereabouts sheltering him both here and other places.
And it's very telling that we did not include the Pakistani government at any level in on this all right hey there guys -- keep joking around -- please stay with --
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