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-- -- -- Please -- amount of the Imus and -- -- MI adventures former CIA Covert operations.
Also president of diligence LLC a global intelligence.
And security firm Bernard Simon fox and there is good to get -- on Assad -- -- mr.
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Thank you very much I appreciate the the recommendation -- referral.
All the report -- so Juan let me start -- all the pakistanis outing a CIA chief and and the Islamic lot of -- we're -- go out.
Well it I'd I'd I'd like it did I'm surprised.
But we have had had a dysfunctional relationship with a with a Pakistan its war.
Years now and is that runs between both the CIA and and their rental service -- ISI -- it's it's between our military and their military our government their government.
So you know we -- that we have to remember in all throughout this this relationship that we had with them that you know they've got their national interest we've got -- and and it's.
Not often that they actually -- and become the same.
Interests there are very nationalistic very proud people and that's operation that took down bin Laden on -- turf.
Has really set them back they don't know how to respond.
Well there's not believable credible stated our lives -- let.
Absolutely not now it is they can see what is it and it's just not available all -- say that there wants some.
Individuals within ISI in particular who weren't providing some level of cop cover for him.
And in other ISI has had eight decades of create our relationship with the Taliban and other extremists.
And they've got -- get infected got a section within the giants' side that that that's what the officers do.
So it's not a government like conspiracy -- -- and wanna paint this as if the entire government military alliance side knew about and loved presents.
But it it really beggars belief to think that day it was no one that NATO.
Well enough people -- the government -- All to got a told -- an argument and I.
Well -- he would've liked to think so.
But -- I think it was a fairly close held secret.
That group -- -- so aware of -- and you know they have got their own agenda and they have proven over the years and meanwhile we've been working with him on the war on terror and prior to that to get the Soviets out of Afghanistan they've they've.
Proven to be very capable when they want to be taken managed to keep your yap shut and obviously they did here.
So I read somewhere -- the to CIA RC he wants to ought to put the -- I had a safe house somewhere near.
Well little Osama is.
Called how the vote the house that he was found and nobody know -- out.
Well I mean it did that did this that trip that -- we went down to get.
Eventually to about about to get those forty minutes Marcel on the ground shake up in laden.
You know really with the result of about eight years of work.
From the time that we we picked up and initially.
-- on the -- the alias a career and and and we threw that into a pile of thousands and thousands of other pieces of information about a variety of other potential sources we didn't know what any of more credible.
Didn't really understand the importance of this particular courier.
And then you pick up another reference in but from another detainee.
And suddenly you've got them some information that might you know about -- corroborated so now home okay maybe you've got up and take that you start running it past from the high value detainees.
But it was it was 2003.
When we got that not be -- that alias it was in 2000 -- -- -- in 2007.
What we got his full name we actually had.
And I defecation.
And it what it -- 2009.
And that we had a general regional location -- four with a career might be and not until August 2010.
Until we identify the compound.
So we had August 2010 essentially until.
Two lay eyes on the target.
To work to start to understand who within their catalog the people that we could profile understand the physical layout.
Understand the patterns of activity.
And what are you doing you doing physical surveillance due to a technical surveillance satellite covered anything possible.
In the very typical situation because the -- the -- but is that is that garrison town to military town is secure locations.
What our customer portal -- -- former CIA Covert operations officer.
It is so -- generally are or what I was -- specifically asking about.
Was all I read that there was not a CIA had a safe house that was -- Osama bin Laden's what were they found him.
And my question and I I -- -- of her -- -- my question was wondered well how small house close was that do you know I think about that safe house itself.
-- -- -- -- -- -- I would -- I would.
Standout from -- -- -- to -- because there's sources and methods but I would say that put an operational perspective what -- the first thing if you would look to do with try to identify what you've got a potential opera observation post in the area to actually be looking to work with -- local sources with possible.
To try to identify -- In that country that would give you.
Perhaps -- on target.
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