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All my next fest is the CIA veteran who led the CIA's hunt for bin Laden in the ninety's he says it would be a surprise to find out -- -- relied on someone.
Pakistani -- -- heritage.
Rather than a fellow Arab former CIA bin Laden unit chief Michael Scherer joins me now live from Washington Michael good to have you here and -- Thank you sir Michael via first let's get -- the issue of is it is this is it in any way realistic that US intelligence would not have been highly skeptical.
That the pakistanis were not.
Trading on at least two levels on two sides -- when it comes to a global war on terror.
You know that this is -- this congress is just going through the motions of reacting to the American people surprise -- Pakistani duplicity.
From day one -- Bin Laden had -- Pakistan had no interest in capturing Osama bin Laden or turning him over -- sort killing him.
Because it would mean domestic violence for them in their own country.
And they it would have it I alienated much of the west the rest of the Muslim world.
The problem for the United States is not Pakistan the problem is incompetent leadership in foreign policy.
They all assume whether they're Republicans are -- Democrats they assume that every but every country's interests are the same as ours.
And everyone who has been working on this issue for the last fifteen years knew that the Pakistan Pakistan's interest.
In regard to Afghanistan.
And entering -- to al-Qaeda.
Were in no way congruent with those of the United States.
Pakistan has been taking -- money of course.
But they're not going to do any thing that threatens the stability of their own country.
And at this point that you've heard congressman -- -- -- about his legislation he introduces this week.
Answers on the issue of Pakistan.
Are you concerned that our intelligence agencies.
Despite what we witnessed as a highly effective.
Over the weekend killing them -- Are you concerned that they would not be aware of the duplicity the news in the the complex nature if you will.
Pakistani politics and interest.
No -- there's really nothing complex about it the intelligence community in the military intelligence people at the working level know exactly what's going -- They know that there's a chance that Pakistan will always tell us they will do something but they won't do it again this problem is it -- a senior leadership problem.
And the one thing the congressmen who just was speaking doesn't really either know or want to tell the American people.
Is -- have we have no choice but to support the pakistanis.
Our war and -- our war in Afghanistan is almost unsustainable.
Because most of -- -- and -- resupply of NATO forces which includes US forces goes through Pakistan.
The other reason we're giving Pakistan money is to try to help it maintain itself as they.
As a cohesive entity as a nation state because its nuclear armed.
So the idea that America has the whip hand in this relationship is exactly wrong.
It's almost like the Saudi relationship where the saudis are the masters and we are the slaves.
It's not quite that bad in Pakistan but it's very close.
Aren't sure we thank you for being here look forward to torn you're concerned that is from thank you sir.
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