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Romney care was supposed to answer the health care problem for Massachusetts.
Instead it's causing a great deal of hardship and headache.
And may end up hurting Mitt Romney's presidential prospects.
So if Romney care is failing after only five years what does that mean for America -- Obama care is in place.
Here with more -- -- president and CEO of the Pacific research institute's Sally welcome to the show great to see you.
And thank you for having me on.
Fleischer -- so it's -- we looked back in 2006.
And what Romney had to say about Romney care back then and here's the statement -- -- to get you to react to it.
Every uninsured citizen in Massachusetts will soon have affordable health insurance and the cost of health care will be reduced is that what happened.
Well no it's not -- it isn't it interesting that that is what President Obama said when he was pushing his Affordable Care Act.
In fact in Massachusetts today there are still a 100000 people uninsured.
And so and three he said within three years every going to be covered so they don't have universal coverage.
And the cost curve is not come down the estimate her.
This year one point eight billion dollars it's probably going to -- -- -- 150 million more and Massachusetts has the most expensive insurance.
In the United States it's about 141000 dollars for an average family to get in short if they're not.
On the free Medicaid program or you know part of the commonwealth connector.
Wow that's a lot of money a lot of -- for families out there.
How is running care -- so many problems for Massachusetts and I mean how -- we get to this point.
Well you know Massachusetts had a very low uninsured rate was about 10%.
And I don't know why.
Mitt Romney decided that he needed to go with it a connector and with.
You know the individual mandate he thought it was a way to do it -- connector on what Sally.
An exchange where people who are.
We're getting a subsidy get their insurance through this commonwealth connector -- -- say the main problem here is really the doctors.
Well you know doctors in in Massachusetts are going to be in for a real.
They're about 440000.
People in Massachusetts were on the free or subsidized plans.
And you know Medicaid patients are not able to get a doctor.
Because the reimbursement rates for the doctors are so low they're not taking these patients and the same thing has happened at the federal level I -- about fourteen million of -- and in short.
-- -- it already eligible for Medicaid S -- And haven't signed up and it's because they haven't.
Being able to find a doctor and Massachusetts of course.
You know the they thought that emergency room use that go down significantly and in fact it is gone up by 9% because these people who can't get a doctor.
Are turning up and using emergency rooms.
For their care -- and let's just emphasize that point because I don't think anybody would have predicted that.
The whole idea is not to use the emergency -- a whole idea is to get people and a doctor's offices.
And in fact just the opposite happened.
Right and you know Deval Patrick is already introduced legislation this year.
That in order to cut these costs he said doctors have been have to be paid.
On a global budget system so that -- global payment system which will mean.
That doctors won't be able to get paid for treating say you with -- first part of your ailment and then the next -- and you'll be in that doctor will be paid for the -- for that complete treatment.
And I think it's gonna -- the medical profession in Massachusetts a lot of doctors are gonna quit medicine or they're going to leave the state of Massachusetts -- that actually becomes.
I why here's similar issues rumblings from doctors about Obama -- tell me.
When you look at obamacare which is very very similar what do you see happening in America with doctors with emergency rooms how will it play out.
Well you know investor's business daily did a poll.
Of doctors just before the signing of the Affordable Care Act and 45%.
Of doctors said that they would seriously consider.
Getting out of the practice of medicine if obamacare became the law but -- -- that happened as a as a practical matter.
Oh absolutely -- -- talked to a number of -- who were in their fifties.
Who say they're closing down their practice it's not going to be worthwhile because they see that the ultimate goal of President Obama.
Is a single Payer.
Canadian style Medicare for all system and I grew up under that system I know what it does to doctors when doctors become union members the best and brightest won't go into medicine.
And of course a lot of dots we'll get out of the get out the practice of medicine and who does that hurt.
It hurts the patients it hurts you -- it hurts me if we can't find a doctor to get the best treatment.
Sally -- -- pleasure talking with you thanks for coming on the show tonight.
Thank you so --
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