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As Barack Obama and his first US senate race back in 2000 for -- Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes who joins us now.
Alan great to see you again thanks for coming -- are you persuaded at all by the evidence has been presented so far.
That an important question than matter whether I'm persuaded to not persuaded.
He go to my website I think I made a pretty Cogent argument.
That I believe is the best argument for the fact that the natural born citizen requirement may in fact be satisfied by Barack Obama.
But it's not -- -- -- opinion that matters first of all it's not about some American tradition.
It's about the constitution of the United States which has a clear and explicit requirement.
That in order to be eligible for the presidency you have to be a natural born citizen that doesn't by the way mean that same thing -- citizens.
Natural born citizen it has a different standard.
And it has never been addressed by the courts or anyone else exactly what it means now an issue has come up the birth certificates only part of it.
The other part of it is a determination that is required under law to make this.
Whether or not -- -- is clear from some parts of the record of the constitutional convention the debate over the fourteenth amendment.
-- where it was clear that there were some maybe even most who thought that natural born meant to parents not just one where American citizens.
That question needs to be addressed authoritative late.
And it can't just be brushed aside on the basis of the outcome of an election because the constitution trumps elections.
It is what governs elections and president and supreme courts and legislatures.
And I think that's why the American people are concerned because to brush this aside shows contempt for their sovereignty since they're the ones who speak the words of the constitution.
And if it's not regarded -- I proper respect.
-- it means they're the ones being overthrown at this.
Well I mean I am frankly I think you put your trigger of some here because this president has shown in my eyes anywhere ways a lot of the eyes of a lot of folks out there are a lot of contempt for things that were established not only.
In the constitution itself which is bad enough but also in in common law practices act issues about private property what he did with the GM bondholders -- So there are some serious issues that leads to suspicions that if you violate some rules you may violate other rules however there are some people who were were kind of stuck on there on the issue of whether or not it was born here in the United States who have changed their mind.
Based on evidence that's been presented recently -- this happened I would Michelle Bachmann this morning she was on ABC.
Let's just play the tape I wanna get your reaction to it out.
Have the president's -- certificate right here it's certified it's got to certification number he's got the registrar.
Of the state.
-- it's got a seal on it and it says this copy.
Serves as prima facie evidence of the fact a -- in any court proceeding well that -- settlement then it's over that that's what should settle it.
So for Michelle Bachmann it's over is it for you.
Of course not because in the course of this discussion I thought it would be easily -- you go to court.
You present the best evidence that -- the evidence they hear the arguments as to the law because there's an issue of law as well as an issue a fact.
And then a determination will be made based on reasonable common sense that would have been out with should have been over with many many months ago.
And it really doesn't matter which way the decision -- so long as it goes in a direction that respects the constitution and it's reasonably seem to do so.
In stat we've been dithering about.
Trying to pretend people even sent out letters from the congress.
That -- while the election decided -- therefore we don't have to look at that.
Elections do not decide constitutional questions because the conduct of elections -- become strained.
By constitutional provision.
And so I think the American people simply want to see the constitution respected want them to go through the steps that are required.
To look at all of that evidence and the arguments.
And come to an authoritative judgment not one that's all piecemeal -- judges say it's been twittered about or politicians the claim or celebrity figures like trump come out.
That is not suitable for a process that deals with an office that's important and that document asked for high.
I -- I agree with the utter a sound that -- however however we have authorities other than the court system to not necessarily adjudicate but at least to look at evidence to examine -- we have private institutions like the and a -- Public policy center they -- so I know what you're we hear me out I see you shake your head.
But they have seen the birth certificate they have held -- they have photographed -- they have seen that in fact it has a raised -- there were some questions about whether that.
The actual -- of the state was was real or not they have.
Authenticated in their minds that it's real etc.
they are basically Henneberg guest -- it's basically a straight is straight -- center.
10 yeah they are evidence do you do you put any faith in their evidence at all.
First of all if you look at the background the Annenberg Center has been a support her.
Obama and the Obama faction from way back including foundation -- -- where he was involved with them and so forth that's not in the back but in any case.
A private judgment does not constitute a public authority.
That's why we elect people that's why we have courts that's why when issues are raised as to public authority and the constitution at the highest authority.
And authoritative judgment is required what's happening here is the pretense.
That somehow or another we can treat the constitution cavalierly.
And that means that we are overthrowing the government well I am -- you let him know that you like to see what would be the procedure.
That should be put in place right now.
To decide this issue.
I don't understand why we're acting as if we don't live in a country where that procedure or some procedures have been clear all along.
When folks like myself what the court the judge if that you don't pass that that some of them not to be in particular you don't have standing.
As if citizens of the United States members of the sovereign body of the people.
Do not have the right to seek respect for the constitution spoken.
In dare voice OK but -- I agent Olivia we don't have much -- but I just get Vijay answer quite what.
What should the steps being now to be taken to to authenticate whether or not the -- was born here.
The first -- step would be through the usual process that we do it in the court.
Let the evidence before coming let it be -- let the witnesses come forward whether from the Annenberg -- foundation or wherever and be cross examined.
So that you can test of what they're talking about that's the way we usually do it.
Not in this cavalier fashion as if Talking Heads and private.
Foundations with partisan background are are to -- substitute.
-- -- proper process which includes.
An ability of people to come forward ask questions through their lawyers and advocates that's how we establish it in this -- Either way -- not playing games like this.
-- -- we we're going to be talking a moment with a panel about all this but Donald Trump and what he is doing he had of course as private investigators -- sent out.
To look in -- it is do you have any information at all about more evidence that has been dug up either by by him and his private investigators are rather.
A step number one I don't have any such information.
And I would certainly be interested to see -- -- because I think it's critical to the integrity of the constitution and second it still does not deal with a matter of law.
The issue of what constitutes a natural born citizen has never been addressed.
This case actually puts it on the table and it needs to be addressed for future generations of that this doesn't keep coming up.
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