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What if they were a source of energy that was plentiful.
And it could produce lots of power without taking up much space and without producing any carbon black sack do you want that.
Let me ask the audience do you want this storm better.
But I'm talking about nuclear power.
Nuclear is the only carbon free source of energy -- could come close to replacing the energy produced by coal oil and gas but it's no clear.
No clear is scary -- -- Japan earthquake reminds us.
The nuclear nightmare appears to be getting worse by the hour fear that a meltdown at one of the nuclear reactors in Japan.
Maybe under -- what started as a natural disaster has the potential to become an even more threatening manmade disaster.
And even more threatening manmade disaster we keep talking about.
Mean he's a friend of mine from ABC we actually are partners and restaurant together but he's just wrong about it.
In Japan 181000.
People died in a natural disaster.
The nuclear plant killed no one.
Some workers said they feared they die within weeks because of the radiation exposure but they haven't.
After the Chernobyl explosion we were told there'd be thousands of cancer deaths there -- a bit.
The United Nations says there was some increase in thyroid cancer which is treatable.
But no clearly demonstrated increase in the incidence of solid cancers like lung cancer.
Nothing anywhere close to the thousands killed by the earthquake in Japan.
But our foolish media quickly switched its focus from the natural disaster that killed 181000 people to threats.
From the nuclear plant.
Nuclear just scares people and this week Japan announced it was scrapping its plans for more nuclear power.
So does this mean we'll have to find other ways to keep the lights on.
Here to discuss this is energy journalist Robert Bryce author of power hungry that.
Myths of green energy and not real fuels of the future so.
-- real fuels of the future.
Well John I think clearly nuclear has to be part of the answer.
I'm I'm adamantly pro nuclear didn't even in spite of what happened at Fukushima it was a serious accident.
But as you point out you have.
-- 181000 people dead but they believe may be more 101000 missing.
300 billion dollars potentially in damages.
And yet we hear very little in my view from the media about the extent of that disaster instead we have had this incredible focus.
On the nuclear accident which is serious and we but the reality is we have to get good nuclear this.
Assumption is that will we get what we won't always be good at nuclear and a worse accident on -- down -- China syndrome.
Mass disaster we'll have.
Sure and with and we've heard this for decades but in my view John if you are anti carbon dioxide and anti -- you are pro black -- you just -- darkness.
In the real the reality is today.
The world needs electricity and it needs a lot of -- we have over a billion and have people living without electricity globally.
In an electricity growth this is growing dramatically worldwide eight by 80% over the next twenty years but according to the -- what we got cold.
Oil natural gas he could do it that way.
Well yeah perhaps but I don't think we have enough of those resource is an even if we did we still have to deal with the other -- -- of those of those sources.
That -- the thing that makes it global warming is a problem if if global warming is a -- but still with -- you have air pollution issues you have the coal ash disposal problem.
You have mining deaths from coal mining.
The thing that makes nuclear so compelling is that the incredible power density.
You cannot approach approach anything no other energy source approach is nuclear when it comes to power density I could give the example here where your New York.
Indian point -- nuclear plant just north of any Westchester it two reactors produce 2100 megawatts of power.
If you wanted to use wind turbines to -- and -- environmental zealots say we gotta close these nuclear plant and your governor has said that we need to close Indian point.
If you wanted to produce the brother of that friend of mine through.
-- -- the restaurant restaurant what was the name that restaurant John.
-- plugs and if you wanted to produced 2100 megawatts just produced -- 100 megawatts of capacity not actual dispatch of -- generation.
-- Wind generation capacity you'd have to cover nearly an entire state of Rhode Island 800 square miles.
Indian point replace -- real place Indian point which covers 250 acres that that's why nuclear so compelling.
But it's not compelling to most Americans people are and the media so scared of the radiation but let's just put the risks on the -- radiation in perspective.
Nuclear radiation is measured in -- -- it's.
Seven point two Miller -- it's is the worst day in Tokyo.
Since the accident.
Ten -- -- -- is the average cat -- So we're exposed to this radiation all the time.
I should say my father when he was a kid it was his father my grandfather is one of the first dentists to use dental X ray is -- -- my father in the weekend.
Would go to his office and hold the plates and he was twelve years old he lived to age 92 and died of something else.
But that that's than the irrationality about the fear of of radiation we.
We hear about radiation poisoning all the time well.
Tens of thousands of Americans have radiation poisoning every year it's called sunburn this is part of what this misunderstanding because radiation is invisible we can't see it.
And the -- seabirds like receivers people don't have 888 way to even understand that what -- seems to flip to say you know nuclear accidents tanning lotion.
Well sure but.
The reality is as you point out what do for all the devastation Fukushima there were three workers that were killed at the plant one was hurt -- we killed apparently by -- to drown.
Not have been killed by radiation.
And -- in here in America 20% of our electricity comes from nuclear.
Globally it's on the order of ten to 14%.
This is an irreplaceable part of our electric generation capacity in the US and globally we cannot do without it.
So why hasn't the free market just make it happen this is what bugs me about measured -- it gets subsidies to and that companies say.
We're not gonna build -- -- government President Obama.
You guarantee us alone should.
-- government shouldn't be guaranteeing.
Private businesses -- well and and that's a fair point but in this in this -- in on this issue I believe that.
The value of electricity to society is so great and the value of cheap abundant reliable electricity is so great.
That you have to have governmental involvement further you have to have governmental involvement.
Let me finish.
You have to have government involvement to deal with the waste issue.
You can't say here BP for instance or Halliburton we trust you.
You're gonna have to have the government involved in the waste management of of these facilities -- spent fuel rods and be fewer runs and that by necessity requires a strong governmental and.
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