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Tonight -- freedom watch very special event.
Libertarian and Tea Party hero Ron Paul and icon of the left Ralph Nader.
Think they couldn't disagree.
Thank again congressman -- mr.
Nader are with us now in a rare interview congressman Paul is the author of and the -- Ralph Nader is the author of only -- super rich can save us gentlemen welcome to freedom watch.
-- -- -- Ralph do you first you have recently said that our congressman Paul and the Tea Party Republicans.
Are different than the other Republicans in the congress what do you mean by that.
To the extent that there are genuine libertarian conservatives and not corporate -- -- corporate just believe and corporate government.
Great allies with the many liberals and progressives.
To challenge the bloated wasteful military budget to challenge undeclared wars overseas.
To challenge hundreds of billions of dollars in.
To challenge state invasive -- of our civil liberties and civil rights by the notorious Patriot Act.
To challenge -- sovereignty shredding job destroyed.
The NAFTA and World Trade Organization.
And also to the first victory will be a powerful whistle blower bill.
The libertarian conservatives.
Then left liberals and progressives in the congress almost got through last year collect government employees ethically blow the whistle.
On corporate reputation is this and contracts and government misdeeds congress just think of that agenda for a dynamic political -- -- Ralph -- -- you have given enough topics reference to talk for two hours we only have about ten minutes and you're both friends of mine and we both the chatter about the positions but congressman Paul almost everything that Ralph -- just said.
You could have said -- you'll have said.
It is -- -- coalition.
-- vote leading libertarian in the congress and one of the leading progressives.
In American culture today.
Well you know I believing coalitions you know they always talk about by and we need more bipartisanship and I -- we have too much bipartisanship.
Because the bipartisanship here in Washington endorses corporate -- -- which Ralph and I disapprove up.
But you know coalition.
-- -- different -- than I do have some disagreements but that -- dismay I agree with them on that so I think we should come together and work together and I think we can't.
Matter of fact we had a little project here in the last campaign -- -- -- progressives and libertarians and conservatives together.
And we actually had an agreement that we shouldn't be having deficit financing we did not agree on where -- -- and -- -- -- but we have an agreement.
It you know these runaway deficits are horrible for us and of course we even mentioned the -- and we got an agreement so I think there's a lot of room.
For progressives and -- libertarian conservatives do to work together.
-- -- -- -- of course has been the leading member of congress on auditing the Fed.
And on ending the Fed you probably support him on both of those don't you.
Well the Fed is completely out of control.
It did it's not under any legal controls that congress can really -- -- I mean look at the bailouts over the weekend.
Last year a year and a half a little over your on city group 350 billion dollar.
The -- out in secret.
The banks fund -- said that doesn't go through the congressional appropriation.
Process as it should under our constitution.
That needs an -- that.
And I think congress involved as it is teaming up with.
Piper progressive senator Sanders.
To bring the Fed into openness and greater accountability.
And another political dynamic.
They can increase and force in power in congress.
Our congressman Paul the last time we talked about since the last time we talked about this there's been a change -- that as the new congress has come -- the Republicans are numerically superior in the house and as a result of this you -- chair of a subcommittee of the house one of those jobs is to monitor the Fed.
Question will you succeed.
In in serving.
Subpoenas on Ben Bernanke.
To show up and have a chat with you under oath.
And to bring his ledger sheets with him and will he comply with those subpoenas and if he does do that can Ralph Nader sit in the front.
-- Well I tell -- -- I've been doing some checking and I've been informed that four that's what Federal Reserve board chairman and secretary of treasury and officials in the cabinet.
Go to the full committee so I will not have that.
Authority that I may be able to -- somebody that is not the -- chairman of the committee.
But if he does say will have to come from the chairman of the committee.
But that doesn't mean that we'll go lightly on digging up for this information because -- is absolutely right on this thing actually.
The Federal Reserve can have a bigger budgets in the congress.
I mean they can spend 34 trillion dollars in the year.
And then they don't want us to tell us -- one thing I did get a gentleman's agreement with on many members on the banking committee already is -- -- the suggestions that.
Why don't we asked if -- -- What they're gonna do that they're gonna stand us that certain amount of money get approval from the congress that they plan to give ten billion dollars out.
Why should they do that without congressional approval.
It's totally out of control it was never meant to be and it was never the founders' intention to have a system.
Last question on the Fed and -- I wanna change subjects Ralf would you support would progressives support.
A repeal of the Federal Reserve act of 1913.
Stated differently literally legally ending the -- But I can't speak for all of them -- but clearly in my judgment.
The Fed should be a cab whatever does should be a cabinet level accountable institutions.
Right now its -- private bank government inside the federal government.
Funded by fees from the banks and thumbing its nose at congress but its worst nightmare.
This congress and Rob -- who now is head of the subcommittee overseeing -- watch for the firework.
All right let's let's switch gears and talk about fireworks congressman Paul if we ended our military ventures in Iraq and Afghanistan tomorrow.
Could that not provide us the substantial and deep budget cuts that we need.
To prevent further borrowing and perhaps to spend less than we actually take in and tax dollars.
Have absolutely this and I think it's easiest place to do that cut.
I mean do we -- we as libertarians might not approve of some of these medical programs but is that the place to start or should be overseas spending and should we have a stronger national fans like.
I'm bringing our troops home.
And I say that is the place to go we should cut from overseas and bring the troops home.
And I I think the world would be more more at peace obviously complaining today.
And they had questions about China I sit there getting to be good capitalist they work hard they save money and they buying up resources -- we did.
We send our troops out and say we're protecting our oil in the Middle East and we're draining our resources that's that does contribute significantly.
To the bankruptcy.
All wars are fought with inflation destruction of the money which is the reason we have unemployment today.
Rob -- know how does that help I don't really feel about the wars -- wanna switch gears a little bit address to graduates they're right thirty million dollars an hour.
24 hours and they were spending on those two -- thirty million dollars an hour.
Ralph medically leaks is -- a good thing for mature people in a mature democracy to know what the government is up so.
Let the chips fall where they may.
Of course information -- -- currency of democracy.
And -- without information you know what the government is doing you know how to jacket you don't know I don't improve.
And as as -- as congressman Ron Paul said memorably a few days ago.
The bush Cheney administration lied their way.
To the Iraq War and lying is covering up the truth and lying -- his secrets it.
And the same is true for millions of Americans -- have been subjected to surveillance.
A federal law.
Which is a five year -- felony.
So you know -- here they're worried about WikiLeaks.
When we've gotten into war because of secrecy cover -- illegal wars.
And we are sort of putting Americans under unconstitutional surveillance got it.
-- you -- -- -- and agreeing on a lot now that the hot topic of the day on which I suspect you disagree well maybe I can find some common ground.
I think he -- both.
Of repealing the health care law congressman.
Paul because he wants the free market to address health care.
Nader because he wants universal health care paid for by the government which this legislation doesn't accomplish Ralph.
To you -- health care if you're in the congress today would you vote to repeal it.
Yes in favor of single Payer full Medicare for -- with free choice of doctor and hospital.
By everybody everybody in nobody out.
The insurance companies have defaulted they've demonstrated they cannot be trusted in terms of the establishing a Payer dire -- -- -- get sick system.
Which is costing you 45000 American lives a year okay who cannot get insurance to get diagnosed and treated congressman -- I I suspect -- don't agree with anything -- -- Had you have the last.
Well we both opposed to corporate his and that's involved in Madison and that's -- -- -- agree on.
But now I disagree with the delivery of health care by the government anytime the government really errors and service the cost goes up and equality goes down.
And whether it's education or whether it's it's medical care until I -- medical care delivered more like cell phones and TVs and computers.
Because they -- there's the least amount of regulation.
The prices keep dropping and poor people end up with TVs and cell phones that's what would happen with services to -- maintain the services congressman Ron Paul Ralph Nader thank you for joining us on freedom watch.
It's public funding and private the -- -- what single Payer guy that's coming up on manner if there's a let the president take a.
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