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Is the latest target of several Republican governors across the country.
They say the longstanding tradition stands in the way.
Of removing underperforming teachers and it's costing states megabucks.
With us now Joseph Klein former New York City Department of Education chancellor and a member of our team here as the -- court division.
Education division CEO pardon me welcome great to see you good to be with -- I wanna talk about this teacher tenure idea because it's under assault under attack by governors what do you make -- it is that a good idea or bad idea.
The way it works now it's a terrible idea I mean after 23 years in most states people have a lot a job for life.
And it's virtually impossible to remove them no matter what they do in New York City when we had.
Tenured teachers tries we would we could only -- six or eight or ten.
In a year and it was costly and difficult.
And let's -- -- -- we want for our kids we want the best teachers in the classroom we don't give lifetime.
Guarantees to people after three years so I think governor's lead it's a school districts mayors like Villaraigosa and California Cory Booker the north.
I think all of them were talking about real tenure reform so that we have meaningful evaluations of teachers who perform those are heroes.
We should reward them but those who are not performing we should hold them accountable and take appropriate action.
How do you evaluate them is I think teachers would say -- -- -- valuation tools are not fare well.
There -- multiple ways one little violin is look at the progress of getting with their students you know we did that New York City.
We develop what we -- teacher data reports in the children which -- we're moving on which warrant.
Another issues a form of peer review Michelle -- in Washington DC.
She brought in master teachers.
-- from -- among their colleagues to do evaluations let others principles -- the violation but how do we violent people and any line life.
Nobody in in her car world private sector.
Has a lifetime tenure for new jobs as we can evaluate mean I mean we do evaluations of employees and every sector of the economy.
We can do in teaching.
Michelle -- organization that as students first.
Argues for performance base -- -- analysis of teachers the problem is though that you have contracts with these people and it's hard to break.
How do you make those first steps I think.
Governors across the country are struggling with the idea how do we were -- renegotiate -- how do we break this up will the systems in place.
Done its system isn't place and we made some progress here under Mayor Bloomberg -- New York City when I was chancellor for the past.
I used Michelle made real progress he negotiated contract -- broke up a lot of things we saw laws recently in Colorado.
Michael Johnson guy who's really an incredible young senator out there.
Some long Louisiana which really does away with tenure in any way that we -- -- -- So what it takes is leadership commitment people talking about the issue but I think most -- views would be surprised to know.
That in most states have to two or three years but teachers there for life.
Whether she's performing with the she's working hard with the she's doing well let's just doesn't make sense -- you know that that's the future of our kids stereo -- mean.
If they don't get good teachers.
What's plan B and apparently it's not where it should be in terms of education right now if you compare us globally.
We're in the bottom third leading industrialized countries when this out of the going to be good enough and I lowest performing kids -- really.
At the bottom sudden we've got to get tough about this kid to present the State of the Union Address that what we need is more teachers is that the right solution we need more great teachers and we need to recruit teachers from the top of -- college graduates.
The countries to succeed.
That are doing well -- education recruit their teachers from the top we've got to make teaching the most respected revered profession in America we won't do that though.
If it's built on seniority this is another big issue in New York City right now looking -- layoffs and launch parts of the country you're looking at -- The -- -- -- -- people off the last hired first fired that's ridiculous.
We should lay people off based on merit.
Not based on seniority if anybody ever goes to a hospital need surgery heaven forbid.
They don't want the longest serving search and they want the best -- and our kids don't need the longest serving teachers they need the best teachers.
Last in first out that means in New York City where they have the rubber rooms in the teachers who are in trouble aren't doing anything at all those teachers day.
And somebody who was hired yesterday is out that's crazy.
It's not send somebody so I -- sitting -- working around the clock.
To make sure that they're doing right by their children and we've hired of an independent studies show it.
That we've -- higher performing teachers in the last half dozen or so -- issuing New York.
And they would all be the first to go another some great senior teachers to you know just like in your industry -- have people been around awhile was spectacular.
But what -- you need to do -- focus on merit not on like the service.
I have to ask you about Kathy black she took your old job.
A New York City chancellor of schools but how do you feel about how she's gonna do I know -- personally I think she's a dynamo she can have success there.
I think so I -- she's got a tough time because of budget cuts -- Minorities to dynamo as you say I think she's a tough manager she's gonna deal with these budget issues and she emblem or will be a strong team.
Well they've got a big road ahead of them -- -- -- are lots of challenges all of -- and education that have been road ahead of us tonight and our country's got to get this right and right now we're not right on education the stakes are high Joseph Klein thank you so much thank you very.
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