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Tonight on a dock at the battle lines are drawn -- big government lawmakers on one side.
And -- and the constitution on the rather the showdown over.
Spending and Washington's bloated spending and borrowing has reached the tipping point.
We are now less than four hours away from a government shut down Harry Reid the senate majority leader is scheduled to speak one hour from now.
On the floor of the senate where earlier he said.
The Tea Party led Republicans want to cut.
Cuts to hurt women and girls including his granddaughter just incredible what arguments these politicians -- make.
America are our lawmakers could care less about spending billions of your tax dollars.
I'm five on declared wars and trillions of your dollars on wealth transfers.
And certainly they have no problem pushing the federal government to the brink of a shot down.
As they demand surely -- more and borrowing and spending that will push this country and the financial oblivion.
The bottom line is this our lawmakers have failed us this debate over spending on the budget is an ideological battle between small government lawmakers in the house.
And the big government crowd and the rest of the government.
And in the midst of all this President Obama even have the time to attend a few fund raising events for his reelection bid this week.
Here we go again America we were promised change we were promised transparency.
We were promised that spending would be reined in and borrowing would stop.
What I see no change I see no transparency.
And I certainly see no control on reckless spending.
Joining me now is my friend even though we don't -- Three Utah Republican senator Orrin hatch.
Senator hatch it's T minus four hours you're -- Bob vortex of everything.
In the capitol building the United States what do you see and feel happening with the government shut down at midnight.
Or will there be a deal that will preserve fiscal sanity.
Well I hope we'll -- had -- a midnight and I doubt that they're going to do that because there's it's it'd be ridiculous to do that we've done.
In have -- -- these weeks and months they should had a budget.
Two years ago they certainly should had a budget in October and that's what we're talking about -- the budget for this year.
They had a supermajority in the senate the Democrats did they have a super majority in the house and they could pass a budget.
I mean something's wrong with these people and now they're coming in saying that the -- republicans' -- first thing is that question of abortion.
Frankly they all voted for this language -- only says.
Let's not have the taxpayers have to pay for abortions in the District of Columbia.
Harry Reid voted for -- the president himself voted twice forward Joseph Biden voted seven times for.
I mean and 49 Democrats voted for what I kind of backed up on that now comes that exaggerating about women's health.
Through Planned Parenthood which is the largest abortion provider in America now Planned Parenthood also does some good things still but let's just be honest about it.
We're spending 350.
Million dollars taxpayer dollars -- happy childhood and that's that comes a four billion.
Are adamant that -- moment in which I have better at the moment in time where we find ourselves in now.
Four hours just a few minutes less than that before the midnight witching -- when the government loses its legal power to spend money.
Are you saying that there is basically in agreement on how to spend money for the rest of this fiscal year which takes us until the end of September.
Except on things like Planned Parenthood and abortion are those.
The sticking points and if they are.
Will the conservative Tea Party -- is in the house stand firm or will there be a compromise.
On those hot button issues.
Well that would be pathetic to not have -- -- resolution here and to.
Take the country into into insolvency.
And not pay the bills -- we should do is make sure that our military people were taken care of and that they.
Are paid and we can do that and and then a second we've got a bill here -- I'm a big cosponsor of a play.
Kay Bailey Hutchison deserve some credit and we got to really get that through and at least take care of that but I think.
I think they from what I'm hearing they're close to having an agreement but you know -- and it's something that they can't find forty billion dollars and -- three point.
Eight trillion to cover budget -- another -- etc.
so Randi thanks very small the mindset of so many of these people in the government not -- but so many of your colleagues.
Is to borrow and spend and borrow and spend and let another generation worry about.
Paying back the -- but here's what I want to ask you and you know this is coming in about two or three weeks.
But president will ask the congress for authority to raise the debt ceiling stated differently.
To go out into the financial markets and borrow more money.
We're already fourteen point three trillion dollars in debt will senator Orrin hatch Republican of -- top.
Vote to give the president that authority but will you draw the line in the sand.
And say this is that the of this is so deep.
The dangerous so close we're not gonna let you are running more money run the government just -- -- -- collect in taxes and other revenues.
Well as of right now I intend to vote against that and they do you realize that fourteen point three trillion dollars that we're in debt headed towards point eight trillion dollars.
That that that four point three trillion dollars that's 90% of our GDP yet we're fast becoming grace if we don't -- it.
All right the Tea Party folks who dislodged to your former colleague senator Bob Bennett -- -- shot.
And replaced him with your now colleague senator Mike -- a wonderful bright young man from Utah who -- the other senator from your state.
Are you with these small government sounded dollar faithful to the constitution folks were you with the leadership which will ask you to let the government engage in more borrowing.
Well you didn't have to ask that question on the leader in the balanced budget amendment I almost got a pass in 1997.
We elect one vote one of our Republicans -- out on us at the last minute if way to -- that in 1997 when when -- and it's not awful mess today so I can say.
Is of course.
That a fiscal conservative my whole time in the United States I've been able to work with Democrats on various issues which we have to do from time to time if we -- -- get anything done.
Let me tell you something.
The Republicans are sticking together and get all 47 of us -- the balanced budget amendment and I think -- 47 of us are working to get this government under control.
And -- are Republicans doing in the house because John Boehner has the Democrats and the president tugging at his left sleeve.
And the small government Tea Party folks tugging at his right -- -- compromise with the White House -- satisfy the Tea Party folks.
Who turned him from minority leader Boehner into speaker Boehner.
Well we'll have to wait and saying that you know we've come down from 63 billion dollars I have three point eight trillion by the way.
To forty billion dollars from my understanding is they may go down to 38 billion dollars.
That -- -- a lot of money over time over ten years.
But I've got to tell you it's a very very tough possessions Vickerson all right speaker is a really good conservative and he's gonna do whatever has to be done that.
The Tea Party people have to work towards an end to.
Senator Orrin hatch from Utah it's a pleasure it's a hot moment on Capitol Hill we appreciate you joining us thank you.
Nicely with the jets take care he was well perhaps Washington needs a bigger dose of --
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