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We've got to Chicago now Matthew Allen founder Evan chlorine is with us talk about cyber security that -- this is something that is.
I -- I'm very interested in because I don't feel it we pay enough.
Attention to this stuff.
Yeah thanks for having -- show.
We do computer security for.
Critical infrastructure -- electric utilities so there's been a lot of work over the past 45 years we've been doing for a lot of different organizations here in the US.
So how would you describe Bob preparedness then Matthew with regard to a cyber attack having these people -- very clever.
Do we have the necessary tools in place to prevent an attack.
Well there's there's prevention and of course deterrence and then response and there has been a lot of work done.
Over the past five years in trying to assure that we have the right controls in place.
The challenge is to do that across.
Our entire power grid here in North America which.
Includes over 200000 miles of transmission lines lots of different -- utilities.
Lots of different investor owned utilities publicly owned small and large.
And it makes it very difficult to cover that entire space.
With the right controls in the right -- response if something were occur.
That's about what could happen what -- -- dangers to our it's our grades right now.
Well that the greatest risk of course would be via.
One is the potential out a scenario where you could create a black out.
Similar to events that happened back in August of 2003 or more recently down in Florida couple years ago but both of those were not because of cyber activities but that would be an example of something -- could occur.
The other concern of course is potentially using that the grid itself.
Against the devices that connect to the grid.
Not only disruption but also -- destruction of some of the devices that are associated with it.
So it can be massive in scale there have been situations around the world where this has occurred.
Such as more recently October down in Brazil where there was a substantial outage but again that was not directly linked to a cyber event.
Well and Matthew.
What should people do to be prepared for something like this.
I think it's just to try to be aware of where -- CIBER is where our computers and and -- they're being used.
In our everyday lives whether it's for the power grid whether it's for our water systems whether it's for transportation systems.
Our own heating and cooling systems computers are everywhere so way it really.
Everybody needs to be aware of what would happen if there happen to be a disruption.
So what if you didn't happen to have electricity for 24 hour period or if you didn't happen to have.
A vehicle for 24 hours or if there wasn't gasoline so it.
It's just to be prepared and aware whether the event is from cyber activity.
A natural disaster residency -- course of some of the heat waves.
And just knowing what to have on hand if something were to happen.
The final piece that we really pushes awareness in general.
Since CIBER is so integrated in our daily lives we really need to develop a sixth sense.
So instead of the traditional five senses were used to.
We have to directly understand cyber security ramifications and educate that in our families and households.
More than just the the Facebook's.
The MySpace is of information but also of control risks.
A physical wall ramifications that could occur at -- all.
The individual states responsible the individual utilities responsible for their own security or they come under a federal -- umbrella.
So this falls underneath for for is the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.
Yahoo! then directs.
-- the North American reliability corporation.
With certain reliability standards that they have to abide by.
Potential risks up to a million dollars per non compliant requirement per day so there are substantial.
But but -- the causes that -- uniform.
To -- systems and so you could argue that once they could be more vulnerable the little.
Right now there are eight different regions across the US that are doing the compliance audits against those reliability standards.
But there can be a challenge that those audits and the reviews aren't necessarily uniform and nature that's correct.
Matthew thank you so much for sharing thoughts with us.
Absolutely thank you for him and -- -- and founder of -- -- out Chicago and it's an economic terrorists.
I go right.
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