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Life and death decisions the government -- can sometimes also seem arbitrary like -- go to war and how to wage it.
When Republican national committee chair and former Maryland lieutenant governor Michael Steele suggested this week that the war in Afghanistan was a mistake.
-- a war president Obama's choice he was condemned by its own party.
But not by everyone in his own party.
Republican congressman Ron Paul from Texas says Steele has it right.
Also whether -- former UN ambassador John Bolton Cato Institute foreign policy director Chris probable along with my Fox News colleague.
Democratic pollster Doug -- congressman Paul to you first.
What -- was a chairman Steele right.
When he said this is president Obama's war it's a mistake and it can't be one.
-- -- I think he's right he might be politically incorrect on how you get -- how it was played and how -- but he's absolutely right is sort of the announcement that the king has no clothes I mean these were his honest settlements.
I think they're right I think it's a mistake I think it's going badly.
And it's he was right historically the -- part that they keep challenging you always -- always says it's Obama's war.
Well you know they're playing on words there that's if that's their strongest argument they don't have much of an argument against Steele.
Because Obama happens to be the commander -- that he's been that way a year and a half so it is his war just as it was Nixon's war night after 1968.
And he and it -- we have to give credit to Obama is he ever missed his words even in the campaign he was more hawkish and then McCain I thought campaign more troops into Afghanistan that's the good war.
Well I -- I just disagree with that entirely -- CIA has revealed now.
That writers may be -- hundred al-Qaeda.
And in Afghanistan and maybe a couple hundred in Pakistan its way -- killed the country's going -- but really grabs you about the Republicans is.
They're well and that go to them.
Health benefits or unemployment benefits but they won't ever consider cutting one -- but this monstrous militarism and the -- that we're running around the world.
Ambassador Bolton your Republicans or certain that you -- UN ambassador to United States ambassador to the land under -- Republican president.
Agree with anything congressman Paul just said -- Now I don't look let's be clear they're two strategic interest the United States has in this conflict in Afghanistan.
One is to make sure that -- combination of Taliban and al-Qaeda do not retake control of the country.
And once again turn it into a base for international terrorism as they did before 9/11.
And two we need to ensure that instability in Afghanistan doesn't feed and instability in pockets but but historic Taliban.
ambassador aren't chairman Steele and congressman Paul correct.
That no foreign country has ever successfully occupied Afghanistan and left it -- or warm or more democratic than it was before the occupation.
I don't want to occupy Afghanistan I'd be it be great if it were freer more democratic those are not our strategic objectives I told you want to let me finish the second one.
The second one is to make sure that instability on one side of the border.
Doesn't feed and instability in -- -- and have Taliban and al-Qaeda or other religious.
Fanatics take control of that country and it's extremely large arsenal.
Of nuclear weapons which would be a global threat got those are important reasons for the United States -- -- NATO allies to be there.
From the point of view of the Democrats to show.
Which is the real Republican Party.
Congressman Paul and chairman Steele say it's President Obama -- -- mistake it can't be one.
Or ambassador Bolton.
Who says the area is such a tender box if we're not there it'll get worse you know judge we don't know when that's the great advantage the Democrats -- a divided Republican Party.
Increasingly the sentiments of both congressman Paul and his son -- Canada it's like Sharon angle will learn.
Tea Party candidates suspicious of the war in Afghanistan are coming to dominate the Republican Party as a Democrat who supports the war effort.
I would associate myself and our party with Lindsey Graham who says this is America's war.
We have common principles common values and a common commitment to fighting al-Qaeda or go to Chris -- wanna make sure I have this straight Doug shown.
Pollster extraordinaire agreeing with John Bolton hawk.
Neo con Republican and -- -- our and our President Obama who -- mouth similar sentiments -- here Chris probable why -- we not belong in Afghanistan what's wrong with this argument.
Well I think we have to recognize this was a war in shooting in the sense that President Obama chose.
To -- -- a nation building mission in Afghanistan which is very different.
-- the mission that we undertook immediately after 9/11 which President Bush initiated and I think I'm very curious and just kind of puzzled.
By the extent to which conservatives who wisely opposed nation building in the 1990s under Bill Clinton.
Are now embracing nation building under Barack Obama look.
You do not need a 100000.
US troops in Afghanistan.
To -- a hundred al-Qaeda figures we drove al-Qaeda from power and the Taliban from power with a few hundred American troops on the ground and mostly with our northern alliance allies and -- The notion ambassador Bolton General Jones the former commandant of the Marine Corps four star general.
Now president Obama's national security advisor.
Set on the eve of the buildup of troops in Afghanistan.
There were fewer than a hundred Taliban there question mr.
ambassador why do we need a 100000.
Troops on the ground to chase a hundred people from -- country.
I think the situations a lot graver than that I think this is a very difficult combat environment a lot of the al-Qaeda people have escaped into pockets Don causing trouble there.
That's one of the reasons why this.
Requires extensive effort with the government of Pakistan which is an incredibly difficult thing to do.
I think for a bunch of people in armchairs here in the states the second -- How many troops are required is a mistake.
-- let me say this I -- be very clear I don't support the nation building strategy of the Obama administration or much of what the Bush Administration did in that regard.
That's not the issue the issue is America's strategic interest which I laid out before not making Afghanistan a nicer place congress would -- Are we -- republic.
-- an empire.
Where we're -- empire there's a -- that and as a memory about the republic.
That where in you know 130 some countries we have 900 bases.
It it's just overwhelming and it's draining CNN.
Actually work for feeling that we issues of Saud bin Laden he said that we're gonna drag you over here dragon of these wars.
And we're gonna bog you down and we're going to get this in America and we're gonna bankrupted.
-- I can't see why this position that people are so enthusiastic about.
And an Obama and a -- of a lot -- really -- really laughing about all of this because unfortunately the instability.
Secretary Bolton talks about yes I agree with and it's it's -- -- -- And we want stability but I say our presence and our foreign policy is the creator of this instability that we all -- -- Chris probable I know you're an academic which is the real Republican Party wars of defense only like congressman Paul says.
-- go -- you have to go like ambassador Bolton cents.
Well I I think we're having this debate right now we're having it today were having it in the party and I think it's not yet resolved I think that those the kinds of Republican voices that were most outspoken in 1990s.
Criticizing using our military is essentially -- social workers they are returning and they are starting to be more outspoken and saying look.
We can prosecute a war against al-Qaeda.
Was -- trying to build a functioning nation state in Afghanistan a nation state around a guy like Hamid Karzai.
His who is extraordinarily unpopular out of Iraq got back -- dangerous thank -- one more question Doug did you ever think that the Democrats would agree more with John Bolton -- with Ron Paul well it's hard to agree with Ron Paula.
A lot of things except our country's in trouble but we have.
Core American values as a democracy.
Who stands for freedom and liberty but Democrats today we want -- -- have that right they want core values and a fight against al-Qaeda prosecuted successfully congressman.
Paul ambassador Bolton Chris probable -- --
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