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It's often been said that sex sells but in -- high stakes world of international espionage sex is a very powerful tool.
-- -- known as honey traps agency use all the charms at their disposal.
To pry information and secrets from unsuspecting targets and -- play the espionage game.
As well as the Chinese who used their spies for ball political and economic purposes so how -- -- honey traps work.
And how did the Chinese become so good at it let's ask before rob serve Israel's intelligence agency homicide -- -- to use honey trap themselves.
Victor Ostrosky Victor great to see at first I just have to ask you quickly about Egypt we're getting word late breaking word that there are gunshots in the liberation square again.
Are you worried about the Muslim brother -- taken over.
No I don't think so I think it Iran everybody's -- trying to compared to Iran Iran it was ever religious revolution from the beginning with a Khomeini coming in.
This is this past secular revolution with the -- it's would using the organization.
Of Islamic brotherhood in some ways but Egypt to the secular country I don't think that's gonna happen.
We're very good to hear you say -- the honey buckets -- -- -- under the fun stuff here.
The Chinese say there are developing these things in a long term relationship that is those were willing to talk about it.
-- how can you need to have a relationship with a man or woman.
That goes on for years without knowing that I I mean it's it's it's amazing how do you train somebody to do that.
Well first of.
Well they that Chinese didn't invent the game -- -- game was really started really well by the Stasi the east Germans.
And when -- -- Berlin Wall collapsed and most of the Stasi people of found the last bastion of communism with China.
So the Chinese kind of -- and did they they inherited this entire.
Let let me just make sure I get this right -- -- saying that all these unemployed despised -- Germany went to China did to teach them.
How to use honey traps.
Well they they escaped from Germany because they didn't want to stay there and stand trial for things they've done and the only place they can go to was China.
And when they went to China they really started pushing the and yet they the the Chinese intelligence service.
Into the game they knew very well -- they were the experts and that they ran.
Ravens and and swallows.
Would show -- swallow is a female seductress -- raven is a -- -- amounts -- doctor and they ran that in east Germany in west Germany for many many many years.
That's what they do it that's prop that one of the three prongs of espionage of recruiting is sex revenge.
And and of course greed and once you have all those in play.
Sex is using the best one do it -- It is -- saying that they have both men and women there was one now woman that was fooled by a year for years.
By this -- she still wouldn't -- even when he was uncovered that he was actually a spy and doing it.
Four because he was a spot now Israel.
There was a case of a guy -- very.
Van -- then is that -- name who I don't know.
That no new morning less -- don't know he has an Israeli technician at a nuclear facility and he came to a British paper and said hey I'm gonna spill the beans I've got all the documents the pictures and everything so Israel sent out -- honey pot.
Well yes they did there was really Mayo Cindy she kind of latched on to him and -- the Israeli side didn't -- kidnapped him from England because of the time -- -- wanna spoil the relationship.
With the the British intelligence and Margaret Thatcher was -- and then prime minister of England which had a very strong relations with Israel.
So they prefer to try and get him out on his own volition to go to another country which at the time was Italy and there he was picked up and brought Israel now and from there.
Hold on let let me just this war before if I just wanna have them put up some of the shots you by the way in addition the informer spike are also an artist and you've done some -- -- All of these honey -- -- -- busy these are your originals kind of fun campy stuff here but go ahead finish your story about the Israeli agent.
Well they she -- it is really don't use them that much is as far as -- recruiting.
Or using them in sexual ways.
They the Israelis tried very much not to do that -- their own case officers or agents but they do as they hire you know -- wherever they can whether it be prostitutes -- Other women that are willing to do that from the outside.
Really not knowing what they're involved in how the -- you see our -- from my metaphors of espionage collection that I've pain and and I have in my gallery.
But -- yeah that's that's the basis of most of the of intelligence gathering you have to bring somebody in.
You have to recruit him you know it's down the slippery slope you start with something.
Once you know once he gets paid you know he's yours but until then there's a whole lot of things you have to do.
They're used as the hook.
Victor -- great to see again Victor thank you so much for --
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