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Why today dated July we said we're gonna spend this hour -- your real up there and and balanced look at the big issues.
That we've been talking about here for weeks is up public sector unions take god.
A state governments the unions have a big rally planned here at their members are already file again and Richard -- -- the president the AFL.
CIO on a national level is here with us live and Charles -- -- is as well.
He heads -- the AFL CIO here in New Jersey channel but it's great to have both the.
You on the show and have a chance to talk about these is spectacular and I Travis Buck talked about a lot in Wisconsin I covered in the last couple weeks I've heard some of the comments you guys have made.
Union busting is -- your words you've been using you think this is political not economic austerity while it is an economic -- The public employees in Wisconsin already said.
They would agree to all the cuts proposed by Governor Walker and he said that's not good enough we want to take away your right to come together.
Don't bargain for a middle class lifestyle and I wanna talk to both of you guys about that let's just concede that point let's just say he's for the sake of the argue that it is a political issue that's not necessarily an economic one it does bring up a lot of conversation doesn't.
About collective bargaining particularly for public.
Employees and yes there -- also placed in this America today for public employees to have.
The right to collectively bargain how do you make that case of the economic situation -- -- -- -- It's very simple because the teachers in Wisconsin.
They bargained for class size of the police officers in the -- -- in Wisconsin right they bargained for.
-- popular it's best to protect them when they bargained for all the time.
It's the best thing -- global economy.
That succeeded in a global economy.
Bring their employees -- and treat them like an asset to be investors didn't not a constant being.
-- amounts and say you have no place in this weekend's all but everybody has to give in here somewhere I don't think Charles entry you would agree with the dealing with Governor Christie here in New Jersey.
Everybody's got -- yeah.
-- the unions be willing to give more than they have been so far governor Crist hasn't attacked the collective bargaining rolling Governor Walker has it was.
Johnson no -- he has.
Ultimately sent here two -- three weeks ago our governors said that this very crucial.
That's an issue and health care issue and that we need to resolve these right.
Resolved through the legislature I sent today governor if it's so important.
Why don't we sit down right now and we're willing to -- -- we understand that sacrifice that made -- slightly to June or July and decide to.
Let's see let's sit down there.
-- -- -- -- -- Let's let's talk about it and he says.
Everybody should -- yes that's right right on these walls I didn't contribute all the -- could be should contribute instantly giving more tax breaks they should be pitching.
To help all of us come together and creates.
Good job so we can still the middle of the military now think about it from that the point of view of what's happened over the last couple of years since the fall of 2000 today right when the economy collapsed.
It be hard to your name business.
The private sector and hasn't had to give back something that -- amended theme of the -- that a lot of reporting on the copyright and love it has -- companies are doing more with less.
Unemployment rate shot up to 10% everybody has been giving this is a real refrain -- But these people have been you're right they give credit.
Their pension plan this they didn't this state.
There's people with a college education call 10% less than the private sector -- they'd given where they're willing to talk about it.
But the -- those corporate America.
Everybody -- that -- you -- acknowledged trying to dividends -- it's not about Fox News try to deal with it William Ayers and the facts here.
Yeah I don't talk I'm asking you whether everybody should anything -- I think he does have to listen all right so your reference -- -- you're not sending Wall Street -- here to talk about.
Wall Street workers are here to talk about the union workers -- -- was.
I look ahead.
You gotta give us our our.
Our opportunity to spots we -- meltdown bank right we are suffering.
From what a group of people did in New York did you just can't -- -- to sweep that away they intentionally.
Lend money to the public they know couldn't pay back.
They intentionally missed an important earnings of companies they brought the system down that way -- that's.
Thanks for the workers that you sit in different.
It works right now we're gonna sue yeah -- should just act like your children -- -- yeah so we get Phillies got what they are actually you're right.
Your options when you're dealing with an economic reality like that you could go back in time you know what I -- that never happens let's just say you're right right.
Hogwarts that never happened you know we get a little -- -- before 2008 and we're gonna change the world or we can deal with the realities today but -- pretended that now.
I'm not particularly it was an accident and operating.
They paid with their jobs eight million under -- Fifty million out of work they -- other houses are losing their house.
And they're paying taxes for the Golf.
Channel in the middle class hasn't -- and we're willing to do more -- but it has to be through negotiation.
So that everybody Jersey -- need to let me ask you -- like collective bargaining because that's where we started -- -- -- -- that's for a second because.
Over the last couple of weeks I've heard this quote you probably have as well that was used from president Roosevelt from FDR back in 1937 when he was talking about collective bargaining.
For public employees put it up on the screen and it reads as follows the process of collective bargaining.
As usually understood cannot be transplanted into the public service.
This was president Roosevelt with a real champions of the labor movement saying -- for the public workers she shouldn't have the right to collectively -- -- how do you respond.
You don't wanna go to history to talk about the Wall Street collapse but you wanna go back fifty years or seven years looking.
Collective bargaining Wisconsin and -- gone on for eight years it's been gone on in this country it works in a global economy.
Anybody who tries to treat their employees as assets to because I -- -- to be -- -- assets to be invested -- can't succeed.
These -- there should be sitting down with their employees -- and we have a problem.
Well let's all look let's work together to create jobs.
Let's work together to build the middle class that's so we're all about you know one of the last things that I'll ask you about and this is the question of where that we're trying to get to the harder because you brought it up.
That is a good point it's a good question is this an economical and or is this political argument right out in Wisconsin the argument has been made and adjust we will put the question.
And a little bit later I was talking to Americans for prosperity and a counter rally here today -- -- put that question and say is this really an economic issue -- you guys just making a political argument.
If you try to weaken the unions bust the unions for 2012 the same time what people say what that Richard Trumka.
He's got a lot of access to this current administration.
Quotes -- you play the other -- -- don't visit the White House a couple of times a week.
So how worried are you about that political influence going and -- twelve elections.
I think it's a non sequitur.
The fact that.
The administration talks does it has nothing to do with the situation of a governor trying to take away to write my workers to come together the bargain into the middle class.
Think the president talks to a lot of people I think I'm getting at is that he's the president and its first response to that local television interview I had in Wisconsin where he talked about an assault.
On the years.
Write them write it since then we haven't heard as much -- and I guess what -- asked you is do you think he's still in your corner has yet.
There's no question he supports more workers and our right to come together the hard into the middle class that we support -- and taking away the right.
For people to come together and sit down and solve problems.
It's not gonna help build the middle class hi Richard thank you thanks a lot for coming on the -- and I hope you guys think you got a fair shake here and start talking about the issues and Charles is great to meet you and thanks for coming out what to do this we'll keep covering musicians thanks a lot OK guys -- what -- go to our one burning question here.
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