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Republican or an empire.
Someone point to the government's foreign policy at seemingly never ending wars.
And it's ongoing efforts to influence foreign lands and have concluded we have become an empire.
But not our first guest Newt Gingrich as the former speaker of the House of Representatives.
Is a serious thinker and is seriously thinking about a run for the White House.
He's also the author of to save America stopping Obama is secular socialist machine.
speaker welcome here to freedom watch.
Because it's good to be back with you thank you you recently said that the war in Afghanistan won't end well when you said that did you mean because we're not fighting -- well because the president's heart isn't in it.
Or because we don't.
While I was reacting to the president's public statements that he wanted to start pulling out in 2011.
And the point I was making was if you are our enemies.
You simply decide you'll wait until after we leave if -- our friends you decide you better start cutting a deal of our enemies because we're not going to be there.
And I thought it was a statement of -- on reliability on his part.
To -- that kind of a public deadline in fact he's trying now I think under advice from General Petraeus to start backing away some from that deadline.
Are we in Afghanistan.
Speaker Gingrich because we want wanna get rid of the people that planned and plotted 9/11.
Because we want to create Jeffersonian democracy in this tribal area of the world.
Well I think we're in Afghanistan as we're in a lot of places because we're trying to project the rule of law and drive out forces who would.
Destroy our civilization.
I mean these are not idle threats.
And we have not just 9/11 -- -- person from Pakistan.
Try to set off a that car bomb in and New York City recently we had somebody from Nigeria.
-- -- -- blow up an airplane over Detroit on Christmas Day.
There's a continuous steady effort by people who represent radical islamists.
Who want to destroy America destroy western civilization -- And they're very open about it -- and it's safe to argue that the people that planned and plotted 9/11.
Already killed or captured and Guantanamo Bay and awaiting trial another story.
For another time and isn't it also true that General Jones a former commandant of the Marine Corps -- now advises president.
Obama as his national security advisor said on the eve of that surge in Afghanistan.
There's fewer than a hundred Taliban there.
If if those things are true what are 130000.
Troops chasing or trying to accomplish.
Was not to name has had a few hundred al-Qaeda there with a clearly thousands of televised.
In in Afghanistan but but the I made a speech at the right enterprises to last week.
On America at -- and which I outlined.
That we're up against an Islamist opponent.
Who extends from country to country and who is seriously trying to fundamentally replace western civilization.
And I think Afghanistan has to be seen as part of a much larger much more complex campaign.
In which frankly both -- Iran and Saudi Arabia are probably more important.
That is Afghanistan has a problem in the challenge United States although in fundamentally different ways Iran is a militant.
Jihadist country which is potentially trying to get nuclear weapons Saudi Arabia is the largest funder of stealth Jihad.
Spreading a very hard line ideology.
Of -- -- around the world recent.
Lee -- Jack DeVine who was the head of CIA operations in Afghanistan when the Russians were occupying Afghanistan.
Published a piece in the Wall Street Journal arguing that he could accomplish more with a special ops and with mercenaries on the ground.
Troops wouldn't that be easier.
And more efficient.
Using a clause in the constitution with which I know.
US -- historian are familiar letters of mark and reprisal where we actually hire people to go out and do the job that they can do more efficiently.
Safely and -- far less blood and treasure than the American military.
-- I think there are circumstances where you want to do that.
And I think this administration has in fact been systematically hunting down and killing people.
Across a pretty wide range the Middle East has actually killed more people with targeted killings.
Then did the Bush Administration.
Part of the question about that strategy is whether or not that means you're not getting the intelligence that -- you know people you know.
-- -- -- the bombings that occurred in 2001.
Represented a different generation this war in some ways began in 1979.
When the Iranians took over the American Embassy.
Illegally and held Americans hostage.
I wanted to 44 -- -- at which we remember when the war begin if you think that Americans have war fatigue I mean the war in Afghanistan.
Is the longest war in American history.
You know this and yet we're increasing the number of troops there and announcing a deadline by which we're going to leave what can we possibly.
Well I think the question have to ask is is the world become more dangerous or less dangerous if we withdraw.
And I think the answer frankly is -- becomes more dangerous.
We originally went into Afghanistan to block our enemies from having a training ground -- -- planning round.
And wish to repair attacks against us and we succeeded at doing that.
And we've succeeded and -- the question -- you gradually wanna build an Afghan government to do the job.
So we could -- we could dramatically withdraw ordeal and have to go back there every other year for the next fifty years -- down and trying to kill people and I think it's very dangerous.
But Afghanistan mr.
speaker is not a country as you and I understand a country to be.
It's it's a territory with with fiefdoms and warlords we are never going to -- -- in your lifetime my mind most respectfully.
They idea of natural rights and democracy and freedom of choice like we have in the west.
Well you may be right -- he may not be my fathers fought in Korea in 1953.
Korea as late as 1959.
Had the same per capita income is -- It is today the thirteenth wealthiest country in the world and a democracy.
Under the rule of law with freedom of press and free elections.
Nobody would have predicted that in 1945.
You don't know I think you know -- we -- had a remarkable fact around the planet many more people today live in freedom.
Did anyone would have thought possible in 19100 -- hundred mr.
speaker thanks very much for joining us something.
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