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Scoreboards cabinet wrecking ball each Friday we take a cabinet level department we see if we be better off streamlining -- just.
Abolishing it all together and a bureaucracy that goes way that this week we take -- The Department of the Interior now sounds great -- -- 1849.
Budget has grown to twelve point two billion dollars or 70000.
That manage the federal lands and national parks.
To talk about all -- is somebody spent all good part of his life looking into it Terry Anderson these executive director.
Of perk is an organization called property and environment research center.
Based in Bozeman Montana the guys that -- that's fly fisherman and a world -- everything else it's also good economist knows his stuff.
From words -- backwards -- he joins us from Palo Alto, California -- his senior fellow at the Hoover institution at Stanford University also state -- Chris -- a Provo Utah off he's a scoreboard -- he's trying to use eminent domain to take back public property in you took off.
From the federal government he joins us now from Salt Lake City gentlemen great to see -- -- Let's started off how good or bad a job there's a federal government do administering federal lands.
It's hard to -- Can we can have an agency with billions of dollars worth of assets is losing billions of dollars every year.
The department of interior does an abysmal job fiscally and environmentally and I think we need to emphasize both of those.
It on its on its grazing lands for example.
If loses money hand over fist takes in nineteen cents for every dollar it spends.
And yet states like you talk take him as much as three dollars for every dollar they spend on grazing.
It's time for reform it's time to get this hemorrhage out of the budget.
And make these lands more fiscally.
Accountable as well as environmentally friendly but -- you know what people say I mean National Park Service the parks -- where is our treasurer that.
The Bureau of Indian Affairs Bureau of Land Management US Geological Survey all of these parts of the Interior Department are -- are sold us.
As being the green hard.
Of this nation we can't do without these departments and and agencies.
But even if we keep our national parks as part of our heritage and part of our treasures.
We can manage them better we can take better care of them and we can make them.
Not lose as much money.
It cost twenty dollars per car.
Per week to get into a place like Yellowstone and I'm not positive that because -- and have a senior pass so it doesn't cost me anything.
I was recently in Kenya where they charged fifty or sixty dollars per person per day to visit national park.
It's just horrible but we don't pay more and get more from our national parks and you mention the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
If there was an agency that is held a group of people down more than that -- I don't know what it would be.
The Bureau of Indian Affairs holds in trust.
Billions of acres of billions of dollars worth of land.
That belonged to American Indians the time has come to give the Indians the economy they deserved.
They have demonstrated over and over they can manage their lands.
We have recently and it's no big -- -- -- I -- ever again I mean it's it's it's pure racism believing that the federal government.
Can do a better job in Washington DC administering lands out in the plains just because they're white bureaucrats and add.
Give it give it back to the Indians.
-- -- they wish to my tribes in Montana on the flathead reservation.
Manage their lands very very well.
They have a very good fiscal record they make money off their timber.
They have better water quality better wildlife habitat sitting right next door our national -- that lose money and -- are burning up because we don't manage them all right.
Well let's give Chris Sheridan at some time here because Chris this is music two years you were saying and Terry is proving the point.
That states could manage a lot better than the federal government in managing these lands.
There's actually no question about that you look at at some of our national forests I mean and that you know they're they're gonna burn down.
And if we harvest them correctly we'd have better forests.
You know Utah has natural resources enough to -- to fuel energy wise the entire nation if we would just pull out it.
Allow us to do it and it's patently offensive to us that live in -- we love the outdoors.
We we love our national parks but to think that there is -- we can't do both.
There's plenty of a places natural resources outside the national parks.
That that we could mind provide energy it provides you know -- It is I it's it's the plantation.
Mentality I got to put it back in these in these old terminology -- from the civil.
They have inside the beltway this -- that they're the masters the plantation masters they know better than either the Indians knew about how to deal with the reservations or then.
Then states do about how to deal with their own properties it's that -- agree Chris that is that -- Nothing -- about that mentality.
Now that's that's absolutely true we're starting to fill out west kind of I think what the original colonists did with.
You know somebody you know 2000 instead of 6000 miles the summit 2000 miles telling us what we can and can't do not knowing.
You know they don't know our needs are still children need the natural resources -- the money that that would generate.
And you can do it in environmentally sensitive way and that's that's been the big misnomer that that you know there's there's lots of space.
Can't come in view and -- -- time you'll see that we have room for both our national parks.
And and the fact of the matter is after a well a natural gas well stand.
You know a year or two later he -- can't even tell that was there right so.
Well and carried them get -- the -- -- -- all this really and it ended emanates right from the beginning of our program is the closer you are to a problem.
The better able you are to deal with it whether it's its land -- health care whatever.
And and the folks at washing our long way away from you saw the folks -- you talk and be -- that pattern of folks in these seek yet.
But David I like to say no one watches a rental car and that's kind of how the bureaucrats and politicians in Washington treat.
The public lands those of us who live close to them.
We I think are are likely to be much better stewards and as Chris just said.
The evidence is there I have a piece.
The school trust -- not far from where I live.
I look out there and I've often taken people and have them look and say can you see where they just did some blogging about five years ago.
People can't even figure out where it is and yet that they took logs off that land.
And did it for profit.
And it's much better environmentally it's better wildlife habitat it's in part of the -- that's what people have got to figure out by the way we -- we got to wrap this segment but the point is Kerry.
The free market and environmentalism are not contradictory you can have a bolts.
And they can coexist very neatly together you proved it time again -- your organization perk and how people look at up.
On the Internet -- Terry Anderson state rep Chris -- from Salt Lake City, Utah gentlemen.
Great to see you both -- were coming in appreciate it.
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