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Welcome to the diamond district everyone I'm back now Cody don't -- yeah.
Macapagal I think 56 containing ephedrine was listen matched it in the that would Americans trying to -- -- kind of wait they -- -- It generated hundreds of millions of dollars in sales the Cadillac but one of the greatest business success stories of our time.
Until all reports of serious adverse effects including dad.
-- on this dietary supplement started to emerge on the wrist.
Weighing in with hearing.
The FDA eventually banned in the -- alive five years ago and and former CEO Michael Alice was sent to prison after pleading guilty -- single count of lying.
To the FDA about metabolize going 56 safety.
Now Michael -- is out of prison and he -- says in the diamond district along with Fox News medical contributor doctor Marc Siegel and -- explaining basically what went wrong in the metabolize story welcome to get to you -- down meant.
Up at all let's that we -- Michael fresh out of prison you've got a new book.
What do you trying to -- -- trying to sell the bookie trying to clear your name you're trying to get ephedrine back on the market.
Well actually what I try to do that trying to get the story out.
Is I think with everything that's happening especially in the Food and Drug Administration right now what don't scientists are coming forward -- talking about problems I think the metabolize direct you depicts a lot of those problems and we feel that we want to get the story out so that the entire stories out it was only kind of one -- for so long.
Still a part of what I saw and what about your booking your talking points -- that you contended.
Big pharmaceutical companies are basically in bed with the government with the FDA.
And they were so afraid of your prodding because you're doing decimating them doing so well.
That they weren't cooked -- to love basically -- out of the business.
Yeah well I think -- FDA's own internal people are coming forward and talking about the unholy alliance with.
Food and drug administration and the pharmaceutical companies I think on this issue.
OK but doctor Siegel I mean.
Everything that I've seen there's no doubt that ephedrine is not -- There's no question about that Rebecca I don't know whether Michael Ellis should be in jail or not I'm not a lawyer or whether he should have been but I'll say this.
There was a huge study that came out in 2003 from one of our most respected journals that showed that 64%.
Of the adverse affects from any kind of over the counter herbs comes from this particular.
Product ephedrine or ephedra.
It causes rapid heart rate it can cause heart -- shouldn't cause strokes I've seen these -- my patient.
You don't know -- has these underlying problems this was over the counter was not regulated by physicians.
When you start talking about the FDA's role here that's taken -- -- off the ball that is beside the point the FDA has some issues with big -- I'm not interested in that -- an adjusted in an unsafe product being over the counter.
In Michael that was I think the content of the FDA is that your company you -- personally -- -- then ephedra was not safe.
That you are marketing an unsafe product people were dying.
Michael from your product.
Well that's what they contended in that was never established.
You know they ran looked at a for FDA and sort of the GAO and they determine you can't even imply that.
And if the product was so dangerous and -- -- doctor said that there's a committee issued through this.
Why is it's so widely sold now legally.
As long it -- to pharmaceutical product without prescription just go on the Internet and looked up -- pro.
And there's hundreds of thousands of sites selling pharmaceutical offender in.
That's almost three times the level is metabolize.
Well doctor what -- we're back aren't.
But that's that's also a straw man argument the fact that something similar to this -- in -- doses and cold medication that he I think anytime it does not make it safe the fact is people have underlying heart condition that they don't know about the Internet that's not police that all this is a very very unsafe product if it ever gets back on the market it's gonna -- more heart attacks and strokes I would place my entire.
Career on this issue that this is an unsafe product that should not be available over the counter this is what positions -- for these that this is a stimulant a stimulant should not be given to people without a doctor's prescription.
Michael so are you going to come up with another weight loss brought it.
Since you were very successful with this one unfortunately it looks that wasn't the right one that -- say the very least but now -- -- Adam -- you have this ball.
You're trying to clear your name what are your plans another weight loss drug because you know people are clamoring -- -- try just about anything.
Well no that's not that's not my intent I think that the doctor -- it should go ahead on the website and look where it FDA allows to be sold.
Legally as long it has done by pharmaceutical companies without a prescription.
He's making comments about it and everything and I think that if a federated is dangerous then.
It's dangerous fraud and especially at the dosage -- -- get on the Internet legally.
He says on his website by the way that -- it's taken properly the problem with over the counter medications -- nobody is regulating them.
And it's not a good argument to say well there's other unsafe medicines available out there may be the FDA doesn't have the -- They get the ball -- -- my lap of the ballots go after those doctor Siegel Michael Allen that was we have more time thank you very much for joining us then that will keep posted.
We'll keep -- -- posting on this story.
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