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-- is a scene right out of a Hollywood movie but it's real and it's a lot more dangerous Navy SEALs rescuing captain Richard Phillips.
Being held hostage -- -- -- by Somali pirates sharpshooters take down the captors with three single shots.
Captain is thankfully now -- way back home back to the United States meantime.
Somali pirates threatening to take revenge not only against America but other ships off their coast.
What does that mean for half that is already in custody remember many others are being held -- other ships as we speak.
What else should America and the world be doing right now to combat this type of piracy is clearly turned into the high cost.
Doing business on the high -- joining us now.
Larry Murkowski he is vice chairman of New York maritime association he has negotiated.
Hostage releases directly with pirates.
Neil Livingstone is CEO and chairman of executive action.
Ever -- CEO of human factor research group also.
Trainer -- Navy SEALs law enforcement around the world gentlemen thank you all for joining us.
Larry you have had a very bizarre job -- that you've actually negotiated.
Hostage releases with pirates you've been in a boardroom they've been on a boat with a cell -- how do you negotiate.
With hostage with with pirates on on -- -- Well you know there's there's no no set manual although -- time -- is certainly being developed.
I think our experience is indicated -- was at least prior to his situation with the -- Alabama.
That the pirates were acting yes violently I suppose.
As pirates but they were ultimately commercial people looking to get money they didn't have a political agenda.
They wanted money and -- our primary concern of course was getting our our crew back.
And they did and how I mean how do you find them as a negotiator I mean are they are they fairly savvy at what they do is it just all blunt force.
It's not all blunt force -- you have to -- -- -- you have to conclude that there -- -- -- -- at least because they have.
Hijacked quite a number of vessels they've gotten quite have been ransom money from different owners around the world is Smart enough not ask for hundreds of millions that did they ask for -- that are fairly easily -- That's true there they're not so Smart as to you go into a financial research project on the -- owner of the -- they sometimes pick the ones that.
Have a lot of money and other times -- ones that don't have a lot of money.
But they they don't make them completely outrageous demands of course one could argue than any demand by -- -- it is.
Is outrageous but they they start to negotiation.
With -- -- figure -- you move from there.
Neil Livingstone your company called the problem solving company and what do you tell you have a client and on the shipping company.
You know and they don't want to spend another month going around the Horn of Africa or another few million dollars what advice would you give to the heads of some of these companies that might.
Be in harm's way.
-- this is a complex problem but it's not a major national security problem it's an irritant.
To our maritime.
Comings and goings it's an irritant to these companies and first all the companies need to work with -- governments to because this problem's going to be solved.
Not one issue at a time not one hijacking our our parent episode at a time.
But we've got to do something about this failed state of Somalia.
Then we have the consideration of whether we want to go one and clean out these so pirate.
Nets on land there are contingency plans in the United States to do so.
And finally we have a variety of proposals right now some of them say we should have a marshals program someone like the air marshals program where.
Special operations forces would be put on board some of these ships -- And apart -- would never know which one they they might engage and they might rue the day that they attacked a ship that had -- formidable firepower on board.
So you know in -- a whole variety of things that you talk to these companies about doing in the past.
The companies really haven't done enough they basically ignored the problem.
And have hope that it would be someone else's -- that would be taken down.
-- -- I mean listen this problem assault with three quick shots to heads I mean that that's how this problem assault by amazing marksman -- What can we do -- do do we have to get these pirates on land.
Before they make it out to the ocean and they can hold an RPG to decide about -- oil tank.
O'Brien I think that the three seals -- out of the three still snipers and a crew that you don't have to have.
These insurgents criminals terrorists or pirates -- -- classifying them.
On ground the in this particular case United States special operations groups and special worker groups -- are highly trained specifically for this type of situation.
That said he was simply remarkable that three seal snipers.
Were able to execute.
This type of precision and complexity.
In rough waters on 21 small vessel that was moving in and a larger vessel that was moving around also.
It's a testament of the marksmanship of those American soldiers really truly remarkable but -- also form -- formal warfare side I mean.
You know you have this scene other other naval vessel and a tiny little stiff and you're thinking how do we get to this is their way to prevent.
That from -- warfare.
Perspective of the pirates are obviously not afraid to die which probably makes them.
Rotten you know that's an interesting question you know it it could be suggested that there has -- a level of arrogance and at this point no individual or no organization has brought any of pirates -- cast.
I believe that and moving forward -- will not find is that piracy is gonna take a step backward and think about the situation to get into -- What the administration did and be sharp shooting of the Navy SEALs have done is going to give pause to any future piracy at least that's.
-- -- -- -- I think it may have gotten paid I mean they've made some of these -- -- made millions and -- -- they have got they have done a lot of money I do think.
A pirates got to think twice now because they've now seen some of their.
There comrades go down at at the you know at the end of a Navy SEALs rifle butt and not all the vessels out there are trading a waters are -- US flagged vessels with the US cruise.
Likely to be protected by the United States navy -- much more concerted effort needs to be done.
And I internationally before a real deterrent.
-- green and you the US government doesn't negotiate with terrorists should some of these shipping companies just say we're never going to pay another -- again.
Well actually death in this -- -- the the US government does negotiate with terrorists what we.
Don't do as a matter of policy is pay ransoms to terrorists and so good 400.
Yeah negotiating is something that worked very well in this case we strong -- -- the pirates wrong comfortable over a hundred degrees in that.
In that lifeboats and and that wore them down.
What I do think is that if we don't punish piracy.
That and it goes on abated that other people are going to get into the act and but the problem was the previous administration essentially sat on its hands not to a point the finger of blame.
As the situation got out of control similarly our European and other allies who benefit from -- time -- commerce.
Didn't do enough to address this problem and make it.
Not -- Neil Livingstone of executive bachelor right cows given New York maritime association of personal consult -- special operations thank you.
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