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Was there -- senior advisor deputy chief of staff to President Bush and he joins -- now and Carl.
First of all what's what's the overall take you.
With the book -- -- before you give me that though did he consult with you wouldn't say hey Carl should we include this or should I take this out or any of that.
Well we talked about the book but this was these were his decisions I'll say.
After reading the book a week ago Saturday NASDAQ got a copy simply copy and send -- -- read it.
And I'm it is enormously revealing and personal.
You know there were moments that I saw.
Where I never expected he would share what I knew that he was feeling at that moment but he did and there were moments that I observe where his feelings in his.
Thoughts were were private.
Did -- -- that are enormously revealing I mean I've been you know I was there but I learned a lot by reading the book because.
They really he was very Franken revealing about what he was sinking in and how these things affected him then that could ask him did you.
Did you get surprised to -- there are some things and there that you didn't know.
Sure absolutely I mean I -- I see Laura's hand in this I think Laura was read the book -- he was writing this that you need to tell them what you told me when you came up to the private quarters and because he is enormously revealing in.
And look at frank I mean you know you you you he ready readily -- -- his mistakes he ardently defends what he thinks he did right.
He acknowledges the you know that I think people get a sense of you know he comes across that he is is a decider I mean this is a man who.
And it collects all the information.
A -- of arrives -- an opinion and it moves.
But what I think will people be surprised it is how much information and how much nuanced and how many conflicting views.
That you know he has to deal with in order to arrive -- that he doesn't agonize over decisions it's not like he's sitting there you know.
-- were you rubbing his hands and be deeply concerned about and by making the right decision but he is.
He's intent upon taking a lot of information from a lot of different perspectives I knew that when I.
When I saw him at the White House but I think the American people.
Will be interested to see how complex and how wide range in the arguments and discussions were about about about these decisions.
Other than just a handful of people you're saying that this book talks about.
-- or documents the fact that there were a lot of people.
Yeah -- just the opposite for example there's a chapter in there on the stem cell research.
The -- a decision about stem cell research in and -- people be surprised to find.
The wide range of views that he consulted deliberately during this process when -- when you see the decisions about our -- people will people be I think surprised to find.
President Bush was the person say.
You know I don't wanna go to war and -- is absolutely the only last option we have.
And consistent consistently pressed his people to find options.
To that terrible decision that he had to make which was the right decision which was to commit American military force to -- -- Hussein but.
-- you don't.
If it did the old adage is -- it's it's isn't it it looks a lot easier than it is people walk away with that.
And understand how strong a leader he is and how good he wasn't making decisions.
Based upon a lot of different information from a lot of different sources with a wide range of views represented -- decision making process.
All right so one of the things is that if I'm writing a book about me I'm gonna be.
I'm gonna defend my position is that what this is his his his chance.
To say it his way -- supposed to all the pundits and critics everybody else.
Well it's really more -- chance to cheer this year from his vantage.
-- from his viewpoint -- he is very content he's always been content with the idea that history is gonna make his own judgments.
And you know I used to be resident hot headed to White House so -- -- the latest New York Times editorial warship post editorial -- go.
Stephen into the Oval Office about 6:40 AM as he arrived -- You don't steam coming out of my ears and he'd laugh it off -- history -- get a ride will both be dead so who cares and you know impeccable kids on that -- he says look I understand history makes its decisions over a long number of years and I'm content with history with the decision of history.
On my presidency and you know that's what you want in the leader you don't was nobody's worried about the next poll and you know -- somebody -- sort of you know intent upon maintaining their their -- personal popularity.
You -- president's gonna do what they think is the right thing taken into account the views of the American people.
In the issues you -- the the interest of the Americans nation.
In making a decision based on his -- it is a range of information as possible in as many conflicting viewpoints and in critical assessments as possible.
You know -- you know him you know his father you know the -- individuals.
There seems to be kind of a bush family decorum.
Bush 41 never talked about President Clinton.
And it seems it seems that in fact he went out of his way to basically say wave it off anybody -- is -- what you think about that decision.
This president doing the same thing good or bad.
It will look good.
The president of the United States deserves a decent interval silence from his predecessor.
In the end and gives the President Bush 43 and President Bush 41 having been in that Oval Office.
The difficulties that -- I've -- -- that office faces on the other hand President Bush 43.
Has been I think pleased.
-- and others have gone out and set the record straight that he does not believe that it is appropriate for former president.
To engage in sort of the kind of you know sort of political punditry and commentary that others engage in but he's I think police and people and -- defended his record ended of course this is an attempted.
Without a reference to his successor to explain what he did and why he did it.
You've really you know a lot of people have a hard time stepping out of the spotlight.
Seems to me like he likes he likes being out of the spotlight.
Well and any get -- don't -- your point about the normality of this alien this this is an extraordinary family.
And one of the extraordinary things is -- after serving his president.
To -- from -- -- 4143.
Have returned to private life in an unaltered.
You know they don't find it necessary to sort of you know continue to receive the public adulation there's no typified by either one of them to continually jump up on the American stages.
Commentator and has a presence.
Nearly constant presence in our faces instead -- if they realize that they have been honored by the American people serve the most vital jobs and our country has presidency.
And they've both been content to return to life private life -- to find ways to continue to be of service to their communities in the nation in their old ways and this is a remarkable family and we have received in the presence of -- and George Bush.
It in the presence of Barbara and George H.
Bush remarkable models for leadership of our country is in for our.
What greater thing than a man who served as president.
Would return home in and re -- life none as a member was sort of an aristocracy but as -- -- You know and guide Els who walks his dog it has -- little -- black bag to clean up after his dog coming.
You know a guy who you know celebrates his 85 birthday by doing crazy thing -- jumping out of an airplane I mean.
You know this is -- -- this this is a remarkable family and wonderful models for all Americans in Italy.
Very very quickly more autobiography.
Or more history book which one.
I think history book in fact deliberately done autobiography of auto biographical I mean.
He originally was focused on twelve decisions all of which took place during his presidency the book was it stated after advice from from his publisher to include.
Two decisions that -- one as governor and one of private life before him Virginia.
Very much a a history book any any cost keen insight into the workings of the modern American presidency.
During consequential times all right Karl Rove always good to -- do you think.
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