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He was known simply as the Lockerbie bomber of the man who was among the masterminds of the terrorist attack that brought down pan am flight one O three over Lockerbie Scotland.
More than twenty years ago today -- data that set -- my god he's a free man Scotland released him to Libya.
Where he arrived get this to a hero's welcome.
Without terminally ill convicted plot -- be allowed to die in peace.
But is released getting anything but a peaceful response.
From families and friends of the 270 victims whose lives were wiped out in that tragedy.
And now many are demanding chances was Scotland doing this out of goodwill because Libya might have provided cold cash oil -- one.
Bert -- lost his brother Tom on that cold.
December day he joins right now.
-- thanks for coming thank you.
When -- and it's it's incredulous.
It's almost like a surreal nightmare in his idea.
-- watch this today and watched it live as I was in another show.
And the images the convoy.
Cars going to that the plane was like a -- parade when the OJ chase.
Watching Qaddafi son come down the steps that -- this guy was greeted here as a hero's hug.
I it than it did that.
The strange way as -- my guys like our presidential transition intentional walk up to the top of the steps turn like Nixon's salute and go off into the sunset to a hero's welcome.
And that I've been saying that four months that if you release this man they'll be -- hero's welcome.
He'll die a moderate and state sponsored terrorism wins and then I hear our president.
Today say well he's -- Olivia no hero's welcome.
And that he should be under house arrest and I laughed because they said there's going to be a hero's welcome he's not going to be on the house -- -- -- -- -- -- -- So we've really jumped literally sick with cancer yes sir you days.
Because and another.
The family member who loss.
In the attack.
British reverend John -- had said this it is right he should go home to die in dignity with his family I believe it is our Christian duty.
To show -- You make -- what I respectfully have to strongly disagree with him the compassionate this gentlemen got was a life imprisonment don't capital punishment.
This is a bigger issue -- than the man.
He represents state sponsor terrorism.
We only convicted one person we can even do that right after twenty years.
And by releasing and you're saying to terrorists and state sponsored countries.
Keep going added because in the end -- the United States the United Kingdom will will give him this soft.
This is -- one awful -- Scottish authorities.
-- I believe.
That contrary to all the rhetoric you're -- I mean one thing I've learned about our government in twenty years especially the relations with the United Kingdom.
If the United States didn't want this to happen.
It would not happen but I what's the upside in it hello we got video of this terror list you know what the last pres bush 43.
Qaddafi has done everything to get back in the US is good graces yet his sons there greeting this guy at the airport like a hero.
Something doesn't jive well that the the bottom line and I'm strong and -- -- this all this happened big businesses drive in the wagon.
Oil that's been going on since the Clinton administration.
We have we stopped the Clinton administration from issuing passports to businessmen.
You just mentioned it just turned my stomach when bush 43.
Commended Qaddafi and denouncing state sponsor terrorism.
You'll see American companies with a when you say when he paid up to try to compensate victims' families and to compensate the United States and you argue that wasn't even coming from Libya.
No I I I believe that to the money came to the families two point seven billion dollars.
You decade that's a drop in the bucket with the royals and -- you know perfectly honest about it.
And he did something pretty Smart and he didn't because he's an idiot but what he did do.
Was that when we had noticed I can't and then all of -- all he's the messiah he's a closer than the most stable world there of what do you make of that well he he moved in and fill the vacuum when we turned our attention to Hussein.
And that's where he got back into some graces I only hope than I was told that Qaddafi is following Obama in speaking in the United Nations in October.
That the President Obama will show some ethical backbone and by simply if he -- -- speech leave the UN and symbolically show that he cannot accept this.
I don't actually that's not gonna happen because the last press -- -- -- what was your list contact we're talking briefly with your brother.
Before that the -- it was about three or four weeks before he left on the business -- he was over a matter of fact that shipping lines.
Working for a company and at times type of -- and just do anything yes just to make sure those happy.
He was not supposed to be on that play he was supposed to take resume flight out his company -- in the state for one more meaning and his answer was well I only got a couple more hours have been away for three weeks.
I'll be home you know later in the evening and so did.
Better chance of winning the lottery and he did with you know I remember we're we're counting on memories of that day course here is much worse during the month -- -- but.
We didn't know it was a terror attack for quite some time when -- you first aware that way adamant.
When I was over -- one of the first seven relatives over Lockerbie and -- spent ten days there and to my -- identified.
The first four days it was a true human interest story just -- thought it might be an accident.
On the fifth day they announced that there was a bombing.
And then everything changed at that particular time.
But -- but what's important to me today when I was coming in and hit me like a ton of bricks.
This is all backwards.
I guess our loved ones would guilty for being on the plane.
And the families were guilty for trying to pressure our government to do what's right.
We have force the government to an independent investigation opinion one of three we -- a force in the past the aviation security act of 1990.
You know force and they get these guys indictment of force and they get to the trial and we had to fight the Clinton administration on passports -- watch for bush 43.
Commend Qaddafi I watch Obama shake his hand and today compassionate relief.
I guess with a guilty -- And what's weird that was the precursor to what would be.
More stunning terror attacks -- it began.
With your brother on that -- -- for two years prior to nine elevenths.
We -- On the security system that's in place now on -- how you should approach state sponsored terrorism and we were constantly.
It's not listen to because it would cost too much money.
Many of the politicians that turned a deaf -- to us the day after 9/11.
-- implementing a safe stating the things we asked for two with three years there was planning a forewarning of what was taking place and it was ignored.
We only reacted when a lot of Americans got killed.
Heard you would serve your brother world around them booklet -- of a brother like to thank you never forget -- twenty years later Bert ammerman.
Because -- A lot of this got to the point that at least we we got these guys apprehended sadly today reversed.
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