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He -- wanna bring a couple of other -- Texas of course has the longest border with Mexico and just a few miles from El Paso, Texas is it -- Juarez in Mexico.
Juarez is the epicenter of the Mexican drug war went over 16100.
Drug related killings last year it is the murder capital Mexico when the Mexican government sent 5000 troops to stop the violence the drug cartels demanded that the police chief stepped out.
And resign immediately now if he if he does that they warned we will murder one of your men every 48 hours until he does.
They first killed the guys deputy plus three of his men.
Then an officer then a prison -- bodies begin to pile up until the drug lords got their way in the police chief.
Resign now that's what the Mexicans are fighting and like it or not.
America is in it we've -- joining us now -- -- he is the author of drug lord of the life and death of a Mexican kingpin.
He's an expert on the war on drugs and James -- -- An expert on Homeland Security at The Heritage Foundation now -- -- I've known you for quite awhile about nineteen years.
I know -- you know that the drug mafia.
Would essentially put a bullseye on you when and and actually you've you've moved out of the region that caused your problem but at that time.
Pablo Acosta a drug lord that -- focused on in your book who was killed by the way.
Was almost seems like kindergarten compared to these guys doesn't it.
Well he said the the tone basically -- good.
Murder record himself but he was like the granddaddy of the wars drug cartel but just again just to give folks an idea -- what I'm talking about.
He bitterly chastised any of his his lieutenants were uniter who -- after the family members right at least in the beginning of of his drug cartel correct.
Right I would say he was he old -- godfather type of oil over the crime figure he had a certain code of -- that doesn't seem to prevail any longer.
Today he did to traffickers he -- to be ready to kill anybody children family you know whoever gets in her way.
And James marijuana -- -- -- -- ago with this kind of an attitude on the part of these drug dealers today how soon before.
They defy US law -- begin acting here the way they act back.
Well -- it's already being happened after the police chief resigned in the city they threatened to behead the mayor and they also on the batters in the city -- there are gonna be had his family members.
Including family members that lived across.
In the border in the United States so it's already happening.
Terry are you surprised that it hasn't happened more in border towns those with -- Arizona and Texas.
Well actually you know I.
It just wait did the -- is coming.
You know it's it's escalating.
I don't see I don't see.
Any possibility of this going away any time soon any any area that isn't.
Affected by this is going to be pretty soon.
It's it's a problem which.
We are feeding by buying drugs we send fifteen to thirty billion dollars a year in -- Mexico.
And this is the consequence of it.
I don't see any solution to it.
We're going to be spending god knows how much money supporting the Mexican government the Mexican army.
Two to go after these people but at the same time we're.
Which -- sending fifteen to thirty billion dollars a year in drug money in the Mexico right what other consequences can you expect while congress they're going to happen.
You know money laundering is one thing that used to be -- I remember what prosecutor telling me it was Achilles heel.
Drug dealers was money laundering that's that's where they usually got caught but I'm wondering banks right now I mean we began this this show by talking about.
The trouble -- bags or -- could it be that banks are so desperate right now that they might kind of loosened their standards a little bit and maybe not cooperate.
As they should against against drug money.
Most bank owners who lived take a tremendous financial.
The hit to try to protect the country so I don't think the bank owners are challenged.
But there's no question -- -- -- laundering is a huge issue you know it's interesting that we had changed -- follow up on the program here.
With heritage and the work that they do they're so important that I consider his voice.
One of the most clarion and important in America.
On this subject because he understands that there is.
An intrinsic -- connection between border security national security especially as it relates to the coincidence between jihadist terrorism.
And nuclear proliferation and -- those are things that we hope for a few years away but it's very important now that we deal with that the narco terrorism.
The narco terrorism now so that we're not -- -- nuclear nuclear terrorism late.
Well Jim Leavitt let me ask you first though about the money -- situation is there is there any way to use money laundering to get inside of a cartel and maybe.
Busted up or is that just hopeless situation.
Well it's it's really kind of a four part army and the people talk about drug trafficking.
But but there's really four kinds of trade going on here there's drugs and people being smuggling north and these guys really don't care wedge as -- -- -- you know turned a profit.
And the money that they make is being laundered and -- push south along with a lot of weapons.
From the United States going into Mexico.
And and these trades are feeding on each other and -- would you really have to do is go after this whole conspiracy network.
You know I hear the argument about -- it's all about drug use we just didn't take drugs this would happen.
Well what happened -- -- drug use the United States actually went doubt.
That the drug trade didn't stop what happened his drug use in Mexico skyrocketed.
And then they went without new markets in Europe this notion that just lets legalize drugs they'll go away.
It's simply not true.
Well I don't think I don't think if you're gonna ask for this area I I you are for you do think that legalization would would at least step that probably you don't think it would solve it period.
Was not gonna solve the problem of addiction but it will solve the problem of there's tremendous amounts of money going to organized crime in Mexico.
It is a terrible problem in that it has a corrosive effect on government there.
Mexico has an authentic government.
This time the old regime collapsed in near 2000 prior to that it was that a true narco Thai government -- -- and -- regime.
But before long -- I think the big danger of all this money is that Mexico was going to revert to what it was before being on narco state in which the people in power.
Promote and profit from an activity that the only way to ever count -- that.
Is to take the profits out of drugs in it it was just a bitter pill to have to to swallow -- -- it did the consequences of Mexico destabilizing.
Which is a potential for the future.
Our our very unnerving we would have to defend a 2000 mile border.
We want that and why should we if if the only thing that is fueling this is money take the money out of it you know.
Hello -- -- happen -- congressman you have ten seconds go ahead.
Yeah it doesn't happen that way usually all you do when you legalize hard drugs -- to make him ubiquitous everywhere and complicate the situation situation even further we think.
-- did legalizing drugs is going to be the the -- this we're out of our mind that's got to be the last word yet.
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