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John Bolton is the former US ambassador to the United Nations senior fellow at the American enterprise institute for public policy -- -- and he joins us now.
-- -- thank you so much for joining us we really appreciate it.
Glad to be here.
So my opinion is that that China will not.
Give way it will not blink it will not treat back -- with -- in its fight Obama -- cyber attacks to discover information about Chinese distance China.
Never backs off that's my position of what his side.
Well you may be right the real issue here is how Google performs and we don't know the end of the story yet but I think Google's initial threat.
To withdraw from the Chinese market at least the search engine part of it was very significant because too many American businesses and the US government.
Too often simply acquiesce in what China wants and I think that is a bad bargaining position both politically and economically so.
-- standing up to China was potentially an important precedent if they if they back down I think they're going to be in a worse position that if they'd never raised it at all.
If -- -- pure principle I think Google did exactly the right thing they stood up for principle and that was a very good thing indeed problem was.
They got virtually no support from -- technical technology companies in America.
Well I think that's a problem for a lot of those companies that are so intimidated in effect by the size of the Chinese market.
That they're simply sectors of of policy in China I think Google had actually more than principle at stake I think it had a reputation worldwide for.
That protecting the integrity of -- -- and for not allowing.
Filters over its -- -- I think that's something that's important in that in the broader global economy so they did have something to stand up for but it does go to the larger question.
And one as I say that affects the US government as well if if you're simply intimidated by the size of the Chinese market to the idea that China is going to be the larger economy.
And their largest economy in the world and therefore -- inhibited from raising your own business centrist or North Korea's nuclear program.
Human rights religious freedom today you name it.
China wins for free and I think over time that's gonna have a very negative impact on the US and our international businesses do you get the impression that China is tightening off.
Tightening up even more than it was say six months ago or a year ago.
Well I think those who have said that the China's economic openness inevitably leads to political openness greater political freedom the growth of democracy.
Have that wrong number one I don't think there's anything inevitable number two I think the top.
Chinese leadership very much fears political instability I think they have reasons to.
I don't think the economy is nearly what the statistics show it today I think the one.
Child per family policies had a huge effect so I think the answer is yes the Chinese leadership is very concerned about.
The impact of loosening on the political side and and -- alert to threats that as they see it and probably they are tightening up in the near term.
Conventional ways it with -- -- -- -- we don't have much leverage with China because we are indebted to China.
But you could say that if we don't buy China's exports export to -- -- that gives us significant leverage degree without.
Yet there is it the old saying you know if you 00 and too much of somebody's dead it's a question of who has more leverage than anybody else.
And it does -- the to the larger issue of China's involvement in the global economy if there's one rule for China and a different rule for everybody else.
Of course China's position is -- appear stronger but I think in -- -- test.
Chinese willingness to defend some of their policies they get them for free and I don't see how you can be worse off.
Attempting to to probe trying to see if there really is determined to hold on to some of these policies is.
As Google has done I don't see how that can possibly leave you in a worse position.
Let's say if the Obama administration will do it ambassador John Bolton thank you very much for joining us we appreciate.
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