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What's the -- for the rest of the nation.
And -- -- Wisconsin union battle and our next guest knows first hand the tough decisions and compromise are part of being a leader joining us now is the former mayor of New York City Ed Koch mayor good to see if things right here.
We know that something has to be done because the union pensions are busting a lot of -- states and and union rules frankly on teachers that -- camp paper for performers all but so how do you do it.
I was mayor and I know those problems and I'm very supportive.
Mayor Bloomberg's effort.
Make sure that the excesses in the unions have been guilty of the norm.
Municipal unions -- enormous excesses but nevertheless I believe in collective bargaining.
So when governor row walker in Wisconsin.
That says that the only thing that they can.
Negotiate it's wages and -- conditions and pension and health benefits are off the table he won't tell them what -- must have.
That's -- it is also a surprise I think to most people.
That in Wisconsin apparently the municipal unions had the right to strike.
They have the right to strike in New York city or any place in New York we have the Taylor -- And if you get engaging in the illegal strike.
You lose two -- pay for each day.
And we can also take away.
The dues check off which destroys unions could union members don't voluntarily like to pay it.
All right -- mayor you know automatic dues deduction is an issue because taxpayer money that goes to the wages goes to loving for tax increases.
How does your advocacy of collective bargaining square with taxpayers are screaming saying.
Look we're really getting hit right left tire property taxes higher -- -- income taxes I think the do it that's a lot to do it now it has you're gonna do with the fact.
There is that the unions agreed to give back.
All of the financial.
May -- to -- walker all of them.
About collective bargaining in the future is pressure on higher -- you know what evidence is for you -- it doesn't help that and in the private sector we have collective bargaining if you are a one person.
You said your employer.
I think my condition is a terrible why do you have that ankle lock on my -- Well he's not gonna get anywhere -- when the union -- it -- illnesses take off.
That ankle locked out I -- but mayor we do we have examples of other states like Indiana they're close by.
Mitch Daniels came in the second day he was an office in 2005 he -- a collective bargaining -- -- -- -- -- yeah.
Have you go and guess what happened they balance the budget they lowered tax rates and now they have a triple a broad right listen to me.
And -- start slavery the -- Why -- the right.
Well listen I believe he that people have a right.
And to bargain collectively.
When I -- my employer I believe you're doing something that's wrong.
Employers is sure -- -- your lawyers not the people of this state that the public -- you have of course either way you handle that is -- FDR realizing made a big way he's all right -- stride.
I don't believe you have a right to strike instead.
You have mandatory arbitration.
That is binding on both parties including the city.
-- -- -- five states in the country don't have collective bargaining they're operating London mayor.
Listen then there but the unions the public sector unions and their elected officials were put an office by those dues that went -- but get them elected.
They're sitting on the same time outside of the table attacks we're Payer advocate is -- -- really found.
That depends on who you -- lucky if you elect somebody who gives away everything for example I was shocked when I learned -- that they.
A former governor of a New Jersey.
-- -- -- terms war hero now the one who was beaten by Christie.
Course -- Jon Corzine Corzine.
He went out on the picket line instead I'm gonna see that you get paid very handsome contract when he supposed to be on the other side protecting the -- That's true throw that guy out as the people know you're you're a question it happens.
What you're saying is that the people have a responsibility.
To elect someone who is not going to screw them.
Who is her rapper is to have it all happened here in New York though won't mayor Cuomo I don't say excuse me Governor Cuomo and -- -- is not.
I don't believe that at all I believe that.
Andrew Cuomo has made it very clear going to be fair.
But he represents the people you know when I -- elected the unions called -- meeting in the -- to me.
mayor they had supported.
mayor we want you know where your partners I got up and took my spot this one the election.
And sometimes you're gonna be on the same side of an -- and sometimes when comes the collective bargaining I'm on one side representing the people.
And you're on the other side everything is now well thank you for -- inside look at how it really works -- -- former New York mayor --
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