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So they are horribly poor we are rich.
-- What gave us power to prosper.
When America was found that we were poor asked for is that people in the purple country so why didn't he get rich while they stayed -- Here to argue about that -- Sallie James at the Cato institute and Columbia University professor Marc Lamont Hill.
Mark you're a member of the progressive left so I cringed and ask you this question quite a bit that why do you think America has done well.
I due to reasons of personal like -- you probably -- like so much.
The first -- is we have a democracy -- functional democracy everyone has an opportunity to come over the next big idea what is the Internet -- whether it's hip hop culture in the -- whether -- -- -- music -- whatever I think is America creates space for people to prosper and that's -- it's a great country.
-- -- before you -- on the day that doubles are believed to things being done not a lot of countries democracy don't have this attitude.
Go ahead and try our best and emotional an American we would you -- African countries have social democracy is extensively but they also have -- dolphin dictators and off an underdeveloped but big baby by big nations.
Which brings into the second point.
America also makes is both -- exploitation weather isn't giving some people are not happy to -- whether whether it's people not having living wages.
Whether it's expletives -- their world capital.
Whether it's slavery in the beginning parts of this country's founding -- foundation and all of these things are part harm America stays strong in the global picture -- -- it's both things it's it's great opportunity but it's also off wicket for the next but what exploitation.
Are -- were together on opportunity but Sally exploitation.
Yeah I I I agree of course would be with the opportunity America is is rich because this isn't that allow and went by and launch if -- -- kind of have a great idea.
You're left aligned to pursue that idea and people will support you I disagree with the second pot of what not -- that exploitation.
And I'm not sure what he knew he means by it.
If I'm free to spend my money hell I like and somebody's -- -- what they want to sell the house that exploitation well it's great everyone is voluntarily.
You could argue a little bit argue that slavery was a form of exploitation and look at that I haven't yeah yeah at all.
Consider you did did I would have been an act and I want to edit any physical errors and on and I don't know if slavery was so important how come the Sowells -- grew just as much after slavery was abolished what are still forms of labor exploitation even and that's the buttons white people as well -- -- -- people can't tell till we didn't go Appalachia right now in front farmers.
Who don't have a living wage people who who subsidies are being supported well enough to say corporations big could take -- a slight profit loss.
If you can produce a living wage for region or for a particular community and I think that's significant if we're talking -- prosperity.
Because the -- big ideas that come out of this country -- ideas and make this nation this economy grow.
Don't just come from rich to a come from poor people and giving them a chance to the living wage with health -- with housing with food.
These things can provide them with the type and context we need in order to be happy and successful and more America to the next level.
-- incentives important.
What incentive do they have to -- to the next level if they're going to be taxed and regulated out of existence.
I don't concede the point they'll be taxed and regulated out of existence they won't have to -- we'll have to and to tighten their belts a little bit yes you know that that multibillionaire we'll still be a multi millionaire little.
Last that's a selling -- his point about sweatshops is just the name conveys a lot it says we are exploiting people in the Third World.
Who are working in.
Sweatshops horrible -- Yet look sweatshop -- exist because people don't care about how they -- they exist.
Because that's the only way they see -- -- bombs economic are you suggesting -- I mean they're about what what I'm saying is.
If that's the -- to development and America -- what we now cold sweat -- hundred years ago a hundred fifties -- but that's how they got rich and now we don't have -- child anymore.
But we've government intervention to stop -- -- -- government intervene and stop expletives limit it was a big -- what emancipation proclamation -- example let's stop people from being.
Exploit it deliberately stopped slavery but what's the former -- -- most wage increases came without government that have a common prosperity but federal -- federal federally mandated minimum wage is another form of government and -- -- to stop the only -- 5% of the population but -- -- the point I'm saying that that that there has to be some form -- to stop.
-- most egregious forms of trouble when you mention sweatshops until people have an alternative.
Of course I don't have an alternative that's the point that's why it's exploitation -- -- the web no alternative and you give them something that when you could give them more Nike would still -- pay people twice as much and paying people present it to me fifty cents an hour.
Isn't that bad that's something that we could do right now to move to raise the -- living in areas without compromising -- of growth that you're talking about.
Not he's not gonna go -- -- -- as air Jordan shoes rules that exist if they start paying.
They find your kids the work and factories -- decisions 125 cents.
So shouldn't exempt maybe -- that care about these issues and there are many -- them.
Maybe that would be free to not -- Nike -- to buy another pair of shoes that I made in the factory set up by an entrepreneur have pets like someone like you may just says look I've got these standards from Iowa because I'm not -- I would suppose that if they didn't have fallen -- been -- for.
Seven market because most most of these corporations use what sadly most of these corporations that exploit their world labor and as a result there -- -- safe space to do this we have to intervene and stop that decide how much of what consumers sort fault because they -- -- moms.
The sorts of products you think they should get him on I think -- I think that there's enough blame to go -- biggest consumers which we muscles are not we will continue this argument later in the program.
I think sweatshops -- the alternative to starving on in the rice -- often -- See where I'm coming from but thank you Marc Lamont Hill and -- James coming up.
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