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That was lieutenant Dan Choi complaining about Americans Don't Ask Don't Tell policy on gays in the military.
It is a policy that exists nowhere else only America says if you're gay you conserve ask mr.
-- policy happened because for years the rule is that -- were forbidden to serve on the issue really came up because homosexuality was such a taboo.
-- soldier would admit he was game.
But -- times changed and President Clinton promised to overturn the ban.
But a democratic congress said no may propose legislation saying.
Gays would create an unacceptable risks to the high standards of Morales -- unit cohesion.
Clinton then responded with a compromised its don't ask don't -- and that's still belong and that upsets gay soldiers like Dan chill.
Joyce served ten years in the military he served in Iraq and eventually he moved to the National Guard.
Then last year he came out on Rachel manor house show.
I am day he took his protests to the White House great.
Violation of integrity of love of everything that America stands -- so I'm absolutely proud of Miley Don't Ask Don't Tell all the way down the street today.
Dan Choi joins us now on the video we showed earlier he -- I'm still serving I'm still game but.
Just let this week you were officially discharged.
And my thought is.
But tackles along this is the law.
Well usually all it takes is a state.
In my trial.
-- told them I might be in violation of Don't Ask Don't Tell by -- I am upholding the West Point honor code I'm upholding some of the values that our army was founded on.
What about the soldiers who are uncomfortable.
Having you were -- I think to assume that soldiers are uncomfortable.
Or nervous or so unprofessional.
That they cannot deal with the truth.
Well not only other countries are able do it but the FBI the CIA the State Department the Secret Service they have no problem with openly gay people honest people serving right next.
Right next to them why would you assume that our soldiers as strong as they are would be so weak.
At the moment that somebody tell the truth they scream and yell and then they quit and what and we lose by throwing you out of the military.
My soldiers are now without a West Point graduate.
Who has a degree in Arabic.
I'm fluent in Arabic I grew up learning Korean and I was starting to study Farsi -- and a half ago so.
All we need Arab linguists we need linguists you are one John you asked the soldiers and the officers in this counterinsurgency not only in Afghanistan but in Iraq.
What do you need the most and what resource do you -- and they'll tell you.
I really need to understand what the people.
Are trying to communicate to me and our mission is compromise whenever you throw out one more Arabic -- one more -- -- was a surgeon.
An infantryman a pilot.
All of these qualified people all wanted serve their country as long -- they tell the truth about who they are are thrown out immediately.
And as I said some soldiers don't want to serve with -- -- poll by the military times found that if Don't Ask Don't Tell were repealed.
Said they'd consider ending their military careers.
-- -- they -- and said look you know if you're gonna have someone of the same sex living in a close quarters with me.
That is attracted to the same sex.
I feel uncomfortable about it.
Lots of people say it would be terrible for the troops Moran.
Here's how Bill O'Reilly sit at the Dennis Miller if you do this in particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Gonna cause a lot of morale problems with -- like it or not people don't want openly gay.
In the barracks and is going to cause problems.
Bob Maginnis joins us now from Washington he helped draft Don't Ask Don't Tell.
And Bob you say that should remain in the policy.
John back 93 we looked at the consequences.
We looked at.
The damage to effective units.
All sorts of cohesion studies -- all of these things added up.
We're very compelling as you indicated in your intro that a democratic congress had luck.
You know we're not going down that pathway.
I don't know that anybody really knows where will -- this would go if we did lift the ban but -- Lot of our country is here this fan is that you just mentioned well -- barracks I don't that we have a list of the countries that allow this.
Do they all have separate barracks I don't think so.
Well we we only have anecdotes we've there aren't any real true objective in -- studies in those countries and I've seen some.
You know some advocacy research on the frankly.
Only 78 or seven -- of all countries.
-- ban homosexuality the ten largest countries in the world.
Power of the ten largest militaries in world ban homosexuality which includes India and a variety of others mostly Muslim countries.
Yeah guys and -- currently yeah.
Q Bob pack.
I stand I ran.
This is not good company.
I think -- you are uncomfortable with homosexuality.
Or diversity -- doesn't make you a stronger country -- certainly.
But one thing that we found I don't need a study to understand this whenever an organization.
Prize is honesty and integrity.
There's always a positive impact and I know that was true when colonel -- was serving it's absolutely true -- -- I saw it.
Face to face with my own eyes -- my unit as I served for eighteen months as an infantry officer.
We as they Defense Department.
And the congress in the American people have to decide with -- very delicate thing we call -- military culture.
Are we going to run off people and not be able to replace that there -- serious consequences for that community -- I -- with that you're taken out.
You know and you will undoubtedly unless you've run out yet.
Yeah the and I understand your your anecdote and you're.
-- -- -- -- -- -- It's absolutely my career and Iraq it is the view.
That I'm being fired and 141000 have been fired I can't believe that you would say that it does our country any good to kick people out.
How I was doing was too and I am -- linguists I understand the hard worker goes into that but we define.
-- there -- thirteen 162 generals and flag -- officers as you know dance packed with them last year that's in a letter to President Obama said look.
You know this is that this is -- reading this nightmare don't change the law.
What do you think they're gonna hate -- like this they will change the laws have a President Obama says he wants still and a democratic congress.
Well they certainly are intending to do that job.
I don't know that we really understand what the consequences will be I have to stop you there were out of time thank you Dan Choi and Bob Maginnis for joining us.
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