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This is a Fox News Fox Business alert as part of its recommendations the debt commission is calling for a three year freeze of all federal salaries.
To help get the nation's soaring debt levels under control.
Comes on the heels of a report today finding the number of federal employees receiving annual salaries over -- 50000 dollars.
Has risen tenfold.
Over just the past five years.
Our next guest says a federal wage freeze couldn't come at any series Andy card former chief of staff for president George W.
Bush joining us now.
Are great to see a mr.
card -- great to be with you that USA today you had a story not long ago that was based on.
Very good information -- the Bureau of Economic Analysis showing that.
Salaries and benefits of federal employees -- 1171000.
A year that's what they average -- in a private sector it's 70000.
There's a great disconnect between the amount paid to federal employees and private sector employs.
And the -- could also be made that private sector employers are more efficient so what's what isn't it time to straighten this out.
-- I believe that first of all the election sent it's pretty significant called the Washington DC it wasn't just to view -- administration.
Wasn't just to congress it was to Washington.
And I think all of Washington has got to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem and I think federal government employees.
Who are terrific and I respect them and I -- obviously I was a federal government employee.
But I think it is important for them to be connected with the realities of America in terms of what our economy is doing.
And I think government employees are making more than they should given the state of our economy today well so not only do I think they should be a freeze I think we should be looking at the overall structure off.
The employment situation in Washington for a government employees and have -- more in line with what's happening in our overall economy.
There was some people who are under compensated there are a lot of people who over compensated working for a government and I think it's time for us to.
Take the call of the American people -- say we want to be part of the solution.
So Andy how do we do that I mean how do you take money away from people it's very difficult -- are there ways to do this.
Well I think it first of all you can change some of the salary structure is not necessarily take money away from an employee but when you.
Hire someone bring them in to a more realistic salary structure but I actually think the labor union should be stepping up and to be part of this time.
The solution -- well sold that big an awful lot of of very large percent of percentage of government workers are a labor union workers and I think that they should be.
Part of the solution so I think the government's got -- show in Washington DC that we theory you the American but he has.
Your -- and I just -- -- -- -- decided that you're saying.
That getting labor unions involved in this would be a good idea after all they have done a push up these wages to astronomical levels and after all they've done that.
To have frankly supposed to people who want to continue spending more money and got.
But workers don't know I'm not saying it would be a good idea I'd I'd say I'm challenging them.
What will they take a look at what's happening.
And be part of the solution -- they have the courage to do that.
Okay well versed in Bowles and Alan Simpson at the chairs of this and here's what some of them said he had -- -- saying this plan is a starting point.
And co chair Alan Simpson -- the purpose is for them meaning members of the commission to chew on this yet they both said they fully expect this to be modified.
Modified how I mean and that's that's the issue here we've got to start somewhere and this may very well be the best starting point when you -- That over the past five years alone these salaries have jumped tenfold.
We'll look at the last two years.
Just during the Obama administration you've seen dramatic increases and and federal employee salaries so.
I do think this is a problem that Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson I have great respect for both the woman I think -- contributions are quite significant in terms of what they're doing now.
But I think it's going to be very difficult for them to get.
The rest of the commission members to support even the modest steps that they are taking.
They are bold steps by political -- but they're not bold steps but what the American people are calling walk.
So I hope that the commission members and I'm skeptical because I don't think that they will embrace even what Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles of recommended.
But I wish that the commission would do that you know part of the problem with this commission is it is a creature of the executive branch so what has no clout with the in legislative branch.
It also is made up of some members of congress and I just think that it's a little too incestuous.
I wish there was was more like a Brack commission that would have made recommendations to congress that would have been voted on.
Up -- down I supported the original recommendations that came from.
Judd Gregg and for senator Judd Gregg from New Hampshire -- and who wanted to see a bit.
Make it more of a -- type commission that would.
Give some covering some backbone to members of congress who had to take tough votes Andy card have former chief of staff for president George W.
Bush thank you so much for coming in sir appreciate it thank you.
My pleasure thank you.
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