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-- coming in with far fewer jobs lost than expected but millions of Americans still are out of work and -- report demonstrated that once again.
Millions more simply given up looking for war.
President of Obama today kicking off a main street tour to promote his policies of job creation but.
A lot of folks in the Pennsylvania neighborhood he went to believe -- vessels policy's been ineffective at worse may have contributed job losses joining us now.
From Washington former Republican senator from Pennsylvania Rick Santorum and the mayor of Allentown Pennsylvania Ed allows me.
Joins us now by phone he has the people in Allentown are getting disillusioned good to see above I wanna go to the mayor first mayor.
What are people in Allentown getting disillusioned about.
Actually I was I was educated -- -- chaotic and say okay this story I don't they get -- but I said is that I think people.
Our our group edition illusion because of a black Bork but we are seeing -- We see some small businesses -- -- jobs people are starting to find work.
And we think there's you know -- that things are actually getting better here.
But you know one thing that a lot of people say mayor is that is that the folks inside the beltway -- You had a chance to talk to -- say that that they just don't get it they don't understand the frustrations.
Of average Americans the folks in Allentown you've.
-- that no I don't actually you know I was there at this summit I actually had a chance to sit -- and the the session with the secretary Geithner and director's office administration I actually.
Thought it was it was worthwhile and we had some good conversations there was a lot of good dialogue that -- a lot of good ideas.
I think you know the presidency is best -- been listening to folks he's trying to hear their concerns.
He's using that information to try to create some foreign policy changes that I feel will will get pulled back the work.
Well Rick Santorum I suspect you have a different view go ahead.
Well first up by.
I'm a fan of their plows can we work very closely together when -- -- when I was in the United States senate so it's good to hear from again if we haven't talked on separate -- -- -- -- kind of -- but I will disagree with that I I think that you know than what the president has -- is is just the last 24 hours or 48 hours.
Try to focus attention on on an area of his administration that he is not paid a lot of attention to I mean what he did early on his side presidency was to pass a huge stimulus package.
Which frankly hasn't worked and -- -- and the reason hasn't worked -- because it didn't do anything to create private sector employment.
-- that was very much a big government bill and what we've seen is that.
When you speak to two -- jobs it in the government's got to spend a dollar you get a dollars.
-- reduce taxes -- when you create incentives in the private sector.
You get multiples you you get you you've given given that I had what little is not -- but now he hasn't done and it it's not that he hasn't paid attention to words markets or he just believes differently than you knew he does believe that there is this.
Multiplier effect that you you create these government jobs and it spills over so far we haven't seen it but he does believe -- that doesn't take away from his enthusiasm about it right.
Well I I would I would say that the other the facts of the facts and the fact is that you know we've seen unemployment that was supposed to not get above 8% now you know at 10% above 10%.
But we've seen is this administration focus completely off all the jobs and on to two things that are job killers number one was the cap and trade bill.
-- -- you just turn in your previous segment what a what -- what a disaster that would be and certainly.
I know a mayor added and the and the folks in the Lehigh Valley which is a heavy manufacturing area was talking to the congress about their Charlie d'antoni told me that his congressional district.
Is that number one cement making congressional district in the United States and it's a huge energy let's hold -- say let me let let's talk to mayor mayor what what do you think cap and trade it would do to business and you're.
He got and a picture but let but he did go back to two to the issue that you talk about I don't believe that the president.
And of itself just believe that you know big government big spending the answer.
I heard a lot of discussion a lot of dialogue.
About about just -- -- was talking about you know looking toward new creative ways labor credits tax rates for Angel tree investors.
Things that could help stimulate dust off the market.
But it did take you don't get the tax credit alone we get very.
That's significant discussion on this if they -- the -- -- group that was day yesterday.
Detectives alone if if you're not making money at small business -- -- -- help okay.
So it's it's tax credit that maybe could be sold to private investors.
Similar to the carbon credits something that can actually generate revenue to help these small businesses grow and succeed they think the biggest issue is is access to credit that's what's not.
Happening in the market.
You know while senator as Santorum he also said I'm quoting him here -- the president true economic recovery.
Is only gonna come from the private sector we have to face the fact that government resource is.
Are limited he was talking the talk the question is Willie walked the walk out about it I heard it all the sick and -- that senator.
Well -- it of the bottom line is that Republicans back in February pleaded with the president to do a bipartisan bill to at least give a chunk.
Of this almost trillion dollars in stimulus to do something to incentivized the private sector and he simply turned his back on it and said we're gonna write this -- allowed Charlie Rangel and -- to policy to basically write a bill that was all government and and he's now seen the -- would look I'm happy mayor Ed that.
That he's now talking you know we have to -- businesses which create incentives we have to use tax credits those are all wonderful things.
If he'd done that in February -- wouldn't be at 10% unemployment if he hadn't been so ideologically committed.
Two as David said his plan of growing government then we wouldn't be in the shape we're OK I've got to -- -- -- I'm sure but I got a -- -- we only have twenty seconds.
I -- this and -- that he would you strike -- anyone to think that was talked about all the time was that we needed creates some.
Programs some -- -- -- programs that would actually.
You know provide infrastructure for -- to get people back to work I heard on the right -- left.
Let's do some some big public works project that would get people back to work I think -- -- to do that I think a lot of it is happening.
But starting to trickle out in the communities now we're seeing here in Allentown -- I think the president is trying to do the best job in listing the folks here is concerned.
You know creating some -- policies that are gonna get people back.
Well let's hope he does walk the walk of what he said yesterday at -- ski Rick Santorum good to see you both gentlemen thanks for being here I.
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