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Meantime it comes at a time when we've just.
Had -- census coming in in the figures in every district is doing on Texas likely to pick up a couple more seats states like New Jersey Ohio gonna lose.
A couple of seats.
That there is a process for that.
Right and that would have pitted in the early two thousands with you know.
Necessary what do you say.
Well first of Rodney -- the Democrats for decades have been manipulated the redistricting process to keep them.
And in a majority in the congressional delegation.
And -- -- 2000 after the census.
The courts read through the lines in Texas right and and I've always contended that courts should stay out of redistricting our founding fathers in the constitution.
A political process so that people won't get the kind of representatives that are represent their values.
So I saw the opportunity if we took the -- Texas house we would take we would have the Texas senate and the governor.
And and the legislature could do redistricting and the constitution doesn't say you can only do one redistricting.
It says do the redistricting and the legislature does -- so we.
And I ten years -- we go through this process where that is exactly what happens who do you say he has that power.
Support said because that's who came -- that this is or whether Tom DeLay in his influence of capacity or someone else.
Let's say to all these Republican governors -- salivating.
-- -- able to take advantage of you know they get to -- a couple of more seats of their states or not but who makes that ultimate call.
Actually the people there that through that are represented it since I was a represented about with the leader in congress.
For years the Democrats had a majority in congress.
When can detect and -- in Texas we we had every Republicans had every statewide office holder.
60% of people in Texas voted for Republican congressman yet we had only 40% of the seats.
We went and redistrict -- because we won the house.
They delegation flipped -- the delegation was then sixteen percent Republican and 40% Democrat.
So he has the latest report what are the visit the details of the case -- -- -- of your appeal as you know there are going to be a lot of you know governors and prominent politicians of both parties we're gonna succeed look what happened to Tom.
-- -- maybe we should just goes slower maybe.
Maybe got a hands off that -- him at this.
You know we do know that Republicans are going to pick up seats and they're gonna pick up right likely.
But more than just small handful here so.
What's the end result do you think of this especially governors now powerful boxes in those states -- to look what happened to you.
Whatever the merits war against -- and -- a -- -- Well many of the conversation -- politics undermines our very system and number one.
I don't think politics or RO.
Election codes are ought to be criminal and that's a political process.
People shouldn't go to jail because they're they're working hard.
-- to elect people to office.
You might -- -- find none you want might wanna find their their political action committees in the for doing.
For breaking the election code.
But for putting people in Europe for putting people in jail.
It is incredibly dangerous I've had people come out to me and who wanted to run for office -- right out of the private sector but saw what happened to me and said I'm not running because.
I don't wanna put my family through that I don't want to expose myself I've seen I've seen it firsthand were elected officials are scared to stick their head up.
And stand and fight for what they believe in because they're scared they're get their heads knocked off -- and end up in jail.
This has a profound impact on arts political system.
But -- regardless of -- profound impact are you surprised and I was trying to duels a little earlier.
The number of prominent Republicans who either supported you stood by -- I mean you would helped a lot of these guys men and women.
I gets the position they're -- yet when everything hit the fan I'm not saying nobody can be your defense but.
Not a lot.
Well I got -- -- in the I.
I didn't I didn't want to if you're sitting and elected I know I don't wanna be burden to the and I don't want to be hung around your neck I mean that's why I actually.
Know what I understood but -- how did you feel that someone has been treated great decision that he you know Republican somebody privately they feel that you happen.
-- civil to one to publicly go out there and say that an excellent chance.
Yes well that's part of the that's part of the profound reaction.
To grandma's racial politics -- scares people to death and and he can happen to anyone.
And and I don't hold it did anything wrong there's not pretty -- in -- Demeanor in your attitude.
You know they could have quoted out of her reason -- -- -- -- -- a very nice guy but and I know another value that when it comes to getting votes on legislation to keep in the numbers.
You're pretty darn good.
And so you.
You got that moniker for reasons.
Anything in your pastors in May -- union style.
That you regret.
No not really I'm.
I'm passionate about what I believe in -- That moniker hammer was given to me by the Washington Post because they couldn't believe.
That I was so -- successful I had to be breaking people's necks and arms and legs to make them do things they didn't wanna do.
When actually I invented.
A whole new way of whipping the -- -- -- -- -- the vote where I would work with members of took a lot of hard work.
And I won't work with them through the process taking care of their problems so that they would have ownership of the bill when he got to the floor and they want to vote for -- -- -- Yes those guys since some sort of -- on that there is a battle now -- some of the -- the Republican Party to the team partners in the and and the others a more established players over this whole debt ceiling is are -- -- -- -- earmarks.
And that it's really dividing the Republicans.
If you had.
Your druthers that you're it to our capital -- and this debt but we're coming up to this whole issue about what to do would come up.
Would you not raise it.
I would not -- that -- and I would.
Do what I could and and and then turn up the pressure.
Not raising it to get fixed spending cuts that are -- that's it works on what that did more.
Half that -- -- becomes.
Can -- -- that pressure becomes extremely.
To do the right thing in the right thing is to cut spending.
And and frankly that the votes are there you don't have a president that -- help but.
You can you put that kind of pressure on.
Things happen gotten out the drop back.
That scenario would be.
Take the debt ceiling increase it but have so much spending on it it makes it worthwhile.
He's human and if you're sending those putts on it yeah yeah when.
The diet plan passed it on Tom DeLay we appreciate your take at the time this is a fascinating case I don't think a lot of people know what's really going on here.
We're going to keep a very close eye on it.
-- well thank you.
Thank you did this is dangerous -- Thank you very you're you're interest we are watching very very close more than you know Tom DeLay former majority leader of the house represented so comes out of -- state when this.
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