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With senate primaries in four states none bigger than Pennsylvania -- longtime Republican senator Arlen Specter who recently went to the democratic side.
The -- is political -- But -- out of my democratic primary.
To none of -- congressman -- suspect.
Who better the way to -- in.
Then governor the democratic governor Huntsman himself Ed Rendell.
of that right Rendell governor thank you very much for joining us.
Give us you know for all of us -- but those those who are political junkies we're looking at this race right here.
As -- probably the most interesting thing going on tomorrow how do you see this thing playing out -- stack and Arlen Specter.
-- before -- answer is the name of the show happy hour.
Yes -- aren't you -- the first five minutes was not -- hey happy -- -- of his.
And that's what -- had only -- I didn't have good news including General Motors making money.
They -- leading the green initiative called read -- come up.
Actually the General Motors making -- pretty consistent with us ourselves tax revenues that went up.
Driven by automotive sales and we're seeing you have people buying cars and a fairly significant rain -- that is good news.
Now as to the primary it is very very close and it could -- depend on what which candidate gets their voters out.
-- -- Specter because he has the organization which isn't as good as it once was still have some value.
But -- -- in congress insist that because it's supposed to rain in Philadelphia tomorrow.
We're senator Specter will do very well and then the rain could have -- -- it's anybody's.
Even his election.
You know the governor I was in your state this -- and by the way beautiful I was visiting falling water.
And spend a lot of money but frankly didn't generating some of those sales tax Korea Mount -- that it.
That's the thing I'm asking -- -- says you've got -- represented about an incumbent you've got one senator that's incumbent and it seems like there's this anti incumbent -- you've addressed that in the past.
-- they did -- either one of these guys outside Washington.
Well no and neither are congress -- actually two term congressman.
That there Arlen Specter's been a senator for thirty years so he's the lightning -- -- in Pennsylvania for all the anti incumbency feeling.
If there wasn't that anti incumbency wave in the country.
I think he'd be winning this comfortably but because he's the longest serving senator in Pennsylvania's history.
He's viewed as the incumbent congressman -- that even though he is an incumbent he voted for a lot of things that people have concerns about.
Gets a free pass in this election and that's why it's as close as it is.
Well governor let's move along to other states as well you know -- primaries in Kentucky Arkansas -- -- -- You know in at Kentucky in particular the yet Tea Party movement that.
I wanna get your thoughts on the Tea -- if I haven't read enough about it already -- you think that this is a legitimate movement that it that.
And it it it factors in any of these races.
Now I think the anger that's out there from people who have lost their jobs from people who lost their 41 K from people lost their houses.
That anger is absolutely real and palpable and you can touch it and feel anywhere and that's what's driving a lot of these election results and by the way.
It's clearly bad for Republican incumbents this is bad for democratic incumbent.
He saw what happened and senator Bennett in Utah.
I thought he was a conservative icon in Utah.
And he got -- he wasn't even allowed to run in this State's primary.
So that that's number one but is the Tea Party and people who call them selves Tea Party activists driving it I don't think so because that's where you you can.
Determine what -- movement strength is his how many people who can bring to a rally.
And when -- -- the rally on health -- a week before the vote.
They have less than a thousand people in DC -- -- the rally on -- stated 15100 people in DC.
If I called rallied to protect puppies to have strong to protect puppies we have a 100000 people and these silly.
Come on governor in any amount around long enough to know that -- you can't alienate I mean the studies have shown up to 18% of the American people by you know at least.
A -- themselves to believing and led the Tea Party believes in -- I don't make -- what I'm.
-- and I'm saying is I agree with all those things -- I'm saying in his.
It's not the Tea Party movement.
That feeling exists and the people who call themselves Tea Party years.
I've jumped on the bandwagon but they're not driving the train they were driving the train those those attendance figures are pathetic.
Also governor what is driving the train it looks to me like it's just an anti incumbent.
Frenzy out there -- that I -- related to the Tea Party if not driven by the Tea Party what do you say.
It's it's not driven by the tea party for sure -- was they'd have turned out bigger people bigger numbers at -- rally.
They've popped on the bandwagon it's being it's itself prove it.
It's driven by people and when you have a recession at this dimension.
Probably the worst we've had since the Great Depression.
You're -- have anger at incumbents and that's a natural -- and it occurred by the way Ronald Reagan's first election after -- president his first congressional election.
We had a recession.
Ronald Reagan got pounded his party apparently it's not unusual and it's not driven.
By the Tea Party and Tea Party -- part of the movement but then on -- drivers.
Governor what it is driven buying at Tea Party here no Tea Party here is spending everybody is outraged.
About the spending about the -- the -- yet you can argue get that we needed these bail out the economy was on the brink of another Great Depression itself court.
But it -- interesting that I think in some of your previous interviews.
You think spending -- hey you're a 100% spending.
No I don't think I don't think spending is great and general.
I think targeted will focus spending makes a great deal of difference in improving the quality of people's lives -- -- example.
You know we have a huge problem with the nation's bridges roads highways levees dams you name a huge problem.
Now you've got to spend money to maintain all of that.
It's just like when you buy -- new car you buy a new car but you don't put money in the maintain it and keeping in good condition.
That caused -- great.
So there's some spending -- actually necessary and if it's focused and targeted and implemented well.
It benefits the country you don't want I assume guys you don't want to drive on unsafe bridges.
And that's the last thing you want to do you don't wanna sit in traffic for an hour and a half today because our roads aren't big enough to withstand congestion.
You you don't want levees to break like they did in Cedar Rapids in New Orleans.
Losing lives and causing billions of dollars worth of property damage so yes -- is spending the -- since not all spending this some terrible wasteful spending.
But we shouldn't say no spending.
No ball because that's a prescription for disaster.
Well I'm not sure anyone -- no spend you know barring government they were saying no matter who -- this spending you know when -- deficit when states are running up ten.
Fifteen billion dollars deficits.
Understand and I think most states have in Pennsylvania we've cut over two billion dollars out of a budget in the last eighteen months.
And I certainly agree with that.
But there are some things that you've got to continue to spend money on and we've got to discern what's good spending an embarrassment.
All right governor Rendell of again and I can't make you very much Michael kitchen but let's get some happier news.
We put -- minutes you may not generate the good news.
Well -- I'll tell you why I'm very lucky Martin thanks so much governor and his pick up your.
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