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My next guest is William -- going.
He is a scholar he is political analyst he's the senior editor of the -- -- -- Is the author of this book it's entitled never -- up.
America's dilemma was welfare state.
And William good to have you with this.
The battle right now in Washington.
The funding Obama care -- they're continuing resolution.
It is the your book addresses these issues.
-- we have a government that is grown without seemingly without end editor's note articulated.
Vision that I'm aware by the left.
Is you -- you say.
That says what is the size of government a limited government why why do we tolerate such a vision.
I think we've tolerated because people if asked in the abstract.
Do you want big government or not would say no we don't think that's a good idea.
But when it sold to them in little bitty slices do you want the government to address this problem that needy group this cause.
Then the political equation changes and people are much more amenable to what Democrats and liberals are selling.
Why can't conservatives seemingly come up -- intelligent.
Howling articulate response.
Through the into the laps insistence on a new programs.
Ever greater spending and limitless government.
It's a little bit like those cute commercials with the got talking to the four kids for AT&T -- says that he asked a question like.
Is more better than lesson they'll say no more it's better.
This is the this is the built an advantage that the that the liberal -- case sort of happens conservatives.
To have a longer argument they need to make that more sounds better but that if you.
If you pay for it badly or wrongly you wind up with troubles down the road.
We've we've got troubles we have we we've got I think we can start to see the shape in the form of some of those troubles that we have as a result of and irresponsible fiscal policy and so much else.
But what welfare entitlements in this country -- it would we put in the context of the war on poverty.
Which began in 1965.
The the achievements the accomplishments there is never a discussion what has.
All about money bought.
What has it achieved what are the accomplishments of government in social policy.
-- -- -- -- I do agree I think one of the reasons we never.
Seem to win the war on poverty is that the definition of what it would mean.
To win the war on poverty keeps changing the goal line keeps moving.
This is partly for politics this is partly sort of built into the administration of the various programs.
Anytime you have a government program that this is designed to help people who make up to a certain amount of money.
Wherever that cut -- point is people who have us just slightly better economic situation.
Are going to have a good case to say you know we were not bad.
Much better off than people are getting money why are we getting help and that means overtime there's a long term.
Tendency a program like the earned income tax credit for example started in 1975.
The upper cut off limit adjusting for inflation is now nearly twice as high as it was then right and it -- and just that way little bit of the time.
We we have just a little time remaining.
-- in your judgment about the panacea.
At least a way forward that'll rationalize what we're doing.
Well I think the two to get a look away from gloom I think the good news for conservatives is that.
Democrats unlike European social Democrats.
Have not been able to sell a package deal that convinces Americans.
That high taxes and generous welfare benefits are good package.
And so I think that this resistance to taxes eventually -- a constraint on spending that will start to make a difference.
Well William I appreciate that we can end on a positive and happy bright note we thank you for that.
William Vogel of the book is never enough I urge you to read it America's liberal welfare state.
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