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We want the police to keep us safe we have to do everything reasonably.
Protect the cities but how much power.
Is too much talk this city and surrounding areas have been virtually shut down the -- beautiful.
-- how -- -- -- the -- the police state nobody is listening to tell.
That's our show tonight.
Police -- All right America is not a police state for the most part we're pretty free.
Recently however we did learn that government grants records of our phone calls and emails they can know -- we talked to and win.
I'm not all that upset about -- I figured my political enemies -- -- spine and my calls and emails.
But it is a slippery slope it could lead to terrible things.
But there are already things my government does that upset me more.
Bradley -- writes about some of them -- his new book the rise of the warrior cop.
So what do you mean warrior cop.
They're armed like soldiers -- dressed like soldiers who -- in military tactics.
End equipment like humvees.
On these -- tank's side helicopters.
Sort of battle.
Grade well -- guns.
And you for a long time that the swat teams were reserved for emergency type situations where you had to think Raikkonen escaped fugitive war.
An active shooter or hostage taking situation you want to go in with a lot of power.
To put out the problem right you have lives at stake -- I don't think anybody is opposed to using swat teams and those sorts of scenarios problem is other overwhelmingly -- today.
Is in a way that creates violence and confrontation with a wasn't any before when you break in the somebody's home send armed men in the somebody's -- night.
You are creating confrontation your putting your you're listening to very primal response in people.
So I would argue that you -- drug dealership back at cops in these situations is because they think they're being robbed by another drug dealer when.
The federal government starts in swat teams into these medical marijuana dispensaries these were businesses they were their business licenses they're operating under state law you know the the hippie mom and pop couple that run the pot dispensary -- not going to kill a bunch of federal agents.
Using this kind of force against these clinics was about sending a political message is about making an example of these people because they were flouting federal law.
And when the government starts using violence to make a political statement you know I think we need to have a serious discussion about whether that's an appropriate.
Tactic in in a free society and they're using swat teams -- raid poker games.
Bars where there's underage drinking barber -- -- now we're seeing mission creep a swat teams are moving beyond the drug war even regulatory inspections are now and are in a lot of areas conducted the swat teams there was a group of Tibetan monks who were in the US on a peace mission and overstayed their visas.
Who are a country been confronted with the swat team.
I mean it's almost beyond parity when this started in the seventies there were 300.
Raids a year.
Yes this used to be the last resort right the last thing you did when you had when when no other.
Approach would work.
-- now we're increasingly see it and seeing it as the first resort the police used this kind of -- as a 200550000.
Slot rates per year or a hundred a 150 per day.
-- go one example we have videotape in Arizona Jose girl rain.
Marine who served two tours in Iraq was asleep in his -- He went to the sound of his wife Vanessa screening.
After telling his wife and youngest son to -- in the closet.
-- you grabbed his military weapon and walked out to the hole.
-- police who are conducting a drug -- Shot 71 bullets and hit Kariya who had never disengaged his safety 22 times.
As he lay on the floor bleeding Vanessa called 911.
-- -- yeah.
Yeah yeah but yeah.
I'll let out there who think -- -- And a little.
-- excellent point that it.
-- Paramedics then came but the police wouldn't allow them to treat her husband for more than an hour the police said they had to secure the scene and in that time the marine bled to death so.
Mean this can't and this has to be a very extreme example.
In my research for the book I found over fifty cases where -- completely innocent person was killed and one of these raids even after.
This raid happened the the police department admitted that's.
If he had survived they they didn't find anything they -- arrest -- for they found no evidence of look of a crime you know when this is still was a drug charge and they didn't find any evidence of drug dealing in the house and it appears that grain is crime was basically being related to someone who was involved in -- criminal enterprise.
Another example this one from Missouri again it's a swat team that got a tip about drug deal.
Drug raids like this -- happened in America more than a hundred times every day.
When this rate -- swat team broke into this family's -- Shot their dog.
Once inside they didn't hide the drugs.
The owner was just charged with possessing drug paraphernalia.
The interesting thing John is and then this raid went viral on the Internet a couple years ago people were outraged I mean people sent angry hate mail to this police department.
And the thing is there's nothing unusual about that -- that was -- -- a bungled raid that raid went as exactly as it was supposed to go.
Everything in the shooting of the dogs to you know the fact that -- a child inside they didn't know about that the use the battering ram.
The only thing really unusual about that -- -- that it was actually recorded in and posted online.
In -- Hit and then that raid Stephenson -- the action hero now reality TV star.
Had been signed up as a deputy with America push on -- county sheriff's department.
And -- direction TV cameras following -- he actually drove.
A tank into this poor guy's living room I think we have some video of Stevenson down being there talking about that.
We have via.
Team it's a swat team and my swat team on the road out today on this and so when they roll out.
-- his swat team.
Well in this tank I mean this is a tank and they got it from the Pentagon to this program this is designed for use in battle and it.
No it shoots fifty caliber ammunition which is you know even the military has restrictions on that sort of ammunition and -- -- using it you know and cock fighting investigation.
All right we've heard your argument let's hear from the police -- Smart and as county sheriff and Ohio.
Sheriff -- you have a swat team.
You say it's a good thing I I do John and as you often say that.
When airplanes land safely that's not news but when tragedy happens it becomes news and mr.
-- Although it does make some good points lot of this is anecdotal information and I will tell you that day in and day out.
Law enforcement search warrants provided by the judge invented probable cause.
Safer because of these specialized tactical units.
But for -- drug raid or -- cock fighting ring.
Why all the early morning knock your door down stuff well I've been associated with.
Rates and we've never used them for a gambling excursion.
The great thing about longs drug rates though right now absolutely drug -- but again we use a matrix that.
Provides for us the risk involved whether or not the persons had a previous criminal history will not -- guns involved the the value of the intelligence that we received -- you know frankly I think it's a safe for use of equipment it's keeping law enforcement officers safer as a result of the Bradley.
Well I mean you're right that that that very few these -- and up.
As a percentage -- -- will within -- innocent person dying but these tactic used to be reserved for cases where.
You had somebody who had already committed an act of violence or was in the process of it.
And you know there's never really we've never really had a public debate -- public discussion about whether this is an appropriate force to use against somebody who is suspected of a crime hasn't even been.
Charged I would say that law enforcement in America is one of the most difficult jobs we are called to protect and keep the constitution United States.
We take serious our response.
I will also tell you that a public forum our communities are asking us how would we respond to a column mind how would we respond.
Two other community all this good spirits and and overreact but that's the great thing about policing in law enforcement -- we are we're bound to the local control of our communities and Alitalia.
When a local school board says what what I do if there was.
-- -- in our school.
A column by type situation I can't stand up there say well we -- have a response for that is probably not gonna happen.
We don't have trained police officers so.
I would tell you that we're not -- rights and our police were specialize in our police.
Community policing is strong and and alive in this -- -- -- beer can't armored vehicle listen militarization.
The last got.
Absolutely John the last time I -- to bear cat was just four weeks ago we had a husband who tracked his wife found in the drive.
Shot and killed her retreated into her house we used to bear cat to approach that house announce our presence try to establish.
Contacting negotiations that's a safe way to approach that house I'm not -- and fathers mothers Brothers and sisters into these homes.
Without Indian prepared us but again that's an emergency situation where somebody has proven that they are an immediate threat to somebody else's life and that's -- that's sort of responses appropriate it is appropriate in that situation but when you're sending swat teams and to enforce drug -- to -- creating confrontation in -- creating violence when there wasn't any before.
And we might not disagree on that point I think it's important that local law enforcement is held accountable for what they do and that's what.
Law enforcement executives should be held accountable but they rarely are nobody gets fired that.
Well almost nobody gets -- I know -- -- don't get reelected and I know chiefs of police who lose their jobs so.
I do think it's still appropriate.
Accountability he ever hit the wrong house.
In -- 150 to 200 I've been involved in -- -- the wrong house could.
But I'm conflict that about some of this because I hate cops who act like bullies but then when I watch these TV chip -- like law and order.
I root for the cops.
-- -- -- What -- you can.
The later in the -- there should -- reveals that that guy it was not the bad guy he was innocent.
The cops however had searched his house without a war.
But I is a viewer.
I was okay -- that I watched the show all the time in their running roughshod over people I should be saying hey this is constitutional on the libertarian but I don't.
When you get a little bit of a rush watching that and and one of the interest in things I found in in interviewing police officers who had been onslaught rates for the book is.
They tended to -- them acted as they use to describe the feelings they get in these rates are very similar to be acted as we used to describe.
The feelings you get from the drugs that they are conducting its tour in the first place the adrenaline since adrenaline -- -- Russian it's intoxicating.
You know the rays themselves can become habit forming.
Well one another twist on this.
One defense we have against that is modern technology like cameras that we have in our phones and it's odd because when people think of police state they often think of a novel 1984.
Which the government used millions of cameras tell screens they.
Or call -- -- novel.
To watch people even in their bedroom -- the time the pundits said this coming technologies gonna give government too much power but.
It's turned out that these cameras give people individuals power.
Just outside my office cops claim -- bicycle is -- -- -- human purpose.
But then this video turned up and showed that the officer was the aggressor.
That cap was eventually fired.
-- video like this is why some don't want to be -- I -- of the camera and clearly wearing nothing I have no weapons that manner and -- And the officer took -- to jail and charged her with obstructing governmental administration.
-- -- That was a woman who chose to tape a traffic stop outside her house.
The charges against her were eventually dropped but only after she was harassed by the police for making that video public's though -- our.
I'm an advocate.
For video cameras I I tell my law enforcement officers all time you're trying to find me near -- here -- -- -- is absolutely you know make sure you get my good side we want to be able to.
Show the community and -- and develop trust and -- fact we put.
-- cameras in our cruisers and I think you'll see in the next ten or fifteen years you'll see body cameras almost all long -- and officers across this country.
It really exonerates police more often and it -- them.
And don't just take it may be encourages the rogue cop to behave better so I think that's another measure accountability.
Well thank you sheriff Mark Bradley Balco coming off.
This police officer was fired after he revealed that some cops give tickets to people who do nothing wrong.
Also martial law -- that justified in America.
This city and surrounding areas have been virtually shut down got the stadium home.
Can't stay in place.
Heavily armed police swat teams sharpshooters and FBI agents and armored vehicles are swarming the streets in Boston.
Got to stay in your homes.
Stay in place all residents can do this -- That was in Watertown Massachusetts last April police were looking for and Boston Marathon mom.
And they were right to shut down the town says James Karl -- all of The Heritage Foundation.
But Jim harper of the Cato Institute says no all bets are recipe for a police state.
So Jim -- Law I didn't write this at downtown is that the right people made the decision it's with that people be elected -- -- officials and they're the ones to get to make that decision now personally.
At as a public safety measure to me that was a bit over the top but I'm not the guy standing on the -- I'm -- -- guy that's accountable to the people my city.
So the system actually the work the way it supposed to be the people are responsible.
We the people made the decision.
But retrospect tells us actually rather obviously there was an overreaction to shut down the -- Hundreds of millions of dollars in lost economic opportunity for the people of Boston for one.
And as a matter of fact brother number two was found after the shutdown ended.
The people of Boston are strong they are resilient and they didn't need to cower in their homes during this event.
Yep the base the decision that they made.
Based on the facts that they had at the time.
Well I don't think it was necessarily their decision to make it shouldn't have been.
They should trust the people of their city to defend themselves to some to some degree -- -- hear people in Boston complaining.
They were complaining.
They were or -- we are afraid.
But we shouldn't cast off -- liberties we shouldn't cast -- confidence in ourselves simply because of fear.
But all nobody disagrees with bat and that's why they elect -- mayor the mayor pence a police officials and they do what they say look we have to you know my cases you know for example.
Made him an -- and other cities with a Secret Service than it's ever gonna have a national convention.
And we want you to shut down the entire city and they go mayor goes.
I'm not gonna do that and the Secret Service goes OK but -- your culture said he and that's the way the system works.
Putting people in their homes doesn't actually help.
In some respect it threatens them and -- law enforcement roam the streets leveling guns at the windows of homes under you sent us this picture that's prop.
-- -- guy in the gun -- playing right at somebody's win ago.
My gun training -- -- young as a youngster was that you should never point a gun in a direction you didn't want a bullet to travel and we have law enforcement in Boston.
Leveling guns on innocent civilians are getting inside their -- -- they have to play him it's something and they were looking for a guy who might have had a machine gun might have had grenades people were scared.
They were scared.
But professional law enforcement is not allowed to point weapons and people inside their homes merely because somewhere in the city.
Someone may have a bomb or other kind -- Makes a great point -- And that's what this is what professionals have to act professionally in the can't irresponsible behavior we had lots of examples that -- New Orleans.
When they brought National Guard not and they -- -- this is after hurricane Katrina and mayor Nagin said well I've declared martial law -- -- and because he can't.
He can't that has to be -- congress or the president let's explain what martial law -- slot martial law just is very simple it means you're under the responsibility military's.
They declare martial law or whatever state of emergency.
Because they think that people are incompetent to defend themselves.
People actually come together pretty well.
When there's some kind emergency situation we saw this in New York during power outages years ago where nothing bad happened people took care of each other in Boston in fact.
People took strangers into their homes.
Because the hotels have closed and people can handle things much better than a lot of leaders think they can.
A silly anchor it MSNBC said this about libertarian complaints about police overreaching boss.
There were no tanks in Boston this is the most fearsome vehicle.
But -- Boston Police used in the -- -- out.
It's about as scary as the armored trucks that move cash to and from your neighborhood back.
No scarier than a Brinks truck.
Well I saw pictures of a camouflaged humvee with a -- -- on the top.
It's weird it's like the people -- BC like big government in all its form that even if it's a police state.
-- let's talk about the NSA spying so I'm angry that government officials lied to us about that.
Does the NSA collecting any type of -- -- at all.
-- millions or hundreds of millions of Americans.
-- -- Turns out the real answer was yes we do and he just lied about it so James you support the data gathering but they should -- -- -- There -- essentially you don't want the wrong people if you have a problem.
The people that congress have a problem with is themselves because they wrote the laws under which these programs operate in the laws are pretty clear and specific to me it's -- kind of weird about congressman waking up like the guy and -- of like -- saying oh my god there's gambling going on in this establishment.
Mean what do they think we -- right -- those laws workers these programs that we were gonna implement.
And and there's so much other stuff that I hate about my government more than this it's data mining.
They probably are listening there.
Individual calls and they might stop a terrorist -- -- -- constitution guy.
It's the first time in 230 years or more than we've seen -- general warrant in the United States because that's flatly banned by the US constitution.
As a practical matter.
I generally in Warrenton during the time of the revolution -- -- British words -- allowed to his his troops to rummage the homes of of the colonists.
Under general warrants and that was very -- -- sometimes stole things it's a lot likes what's happening with our data right now it's -- -- data mining and some computer they're not in my and soldiers in my home.
It's in that because your home -- moved outside onto the Internet bank records communications with loved ones medical information.
All kinds of -- stopping terrorism building and claimed fifty incidents and they are wrong.
They haven't substantiated that with any real evidence and the best experts on this information senator Wyden.
And senator Udall.
Disagree they're members of the Senate Intelligence Committee and they disagree that this is who has prevented any terrorism.
You think it's unconstitutional take it to court the goes up the Supreme Court says don't do that.
That -- stop doing that at that the that the congress doesn't like the law that the congress wrote that the program is up in the congress congenital why should I care if they know where I've been.
Because it's not anybody's business and that's true when a person is innocent when they're accused of no -- doing what they've done with their life whether it's calling.
Surfing the Internet or anything else it's none of the government's business but the state has been being gathered anyway well and here I was trying to get worked up about this I have a whole list of a hundred.
About government overreach that I hate more so.
Will have to cover this week and another show thank you Jim player James.
Coming up if you drive through this town.
Police might threaten to take your children.
And next this police officer was fired for telling the truth about ticket -- Secret one that's next.
-- police officers set ticket quote it's like.
A hundred tickets -- month officer or you're in trouble.
No say police departments we don't have quotas and some states banned -- but Alabama.
And the town of Auburn officers were told that they had to write a hundred tickets every month.
If they didn't they'd be in trouble officer Justin hander complained about that and shortly after he complained he was -- so.
Here out of the police.
Department out of police work there you're -- forcefully don't want Portugal Ford and mobile -- like this year and for much blacklist of now in fairness it -- just that you complained about it you complained publicly you also secretly videotape you're sergeant.
Giving this sort.
-- we'll have 100 -- good -- -- -- You did this because they were just lying and saying we're not gonna admit this.
Yes are on the -- -- in writing you know in -- public policy whereby cannery that we won't have quotas will stress quality over quantity but.
In his closed door meeting that they they still say that though Auburn city manager told us.
We would never implement a quote we think they're bad practice and -- wouldn't do it for money because it costs as more money you're right tickets that we take -- That -- will decline -- police officers are right from the taxes were taken in and the -- says we get 34 dollars a ticket in 2011.
The road -- some thousand tickets updates that's 800000 dollars of the -- bring an -- so I don't know where these hidden cost far -- -- other lose and I could see why a police department would say we we -- quotas otherwise you guys are guys gonna sleep in the car who fought.
Well that that's what they -- but is counterproductive on -- -- become a reactive police force her since speed traps all night not -- -- neighborhoods not to turn -- And they want to crime happens you show up after the fact check report filed -- go back to running tickets nobody's.
Patrolled neighborhood to detect and deter the worst part of this is you say there are unintended consequences.
On innocent people.
Yes or did you tell also they have to have so many contacts -- gonna -- for the easiest way to get it -- part of we're working downtown we don't observed general walking on soft wall come he was a little uneasy balance we -- We need to contact managers okay we get out on them on he just lives a few blocks from the bar he knew who we was where he was going on -- walking on -- keep from Robin drawn.
Army showed so are his identification completely cooperated and we're determined that he was no threat to himself for the public and that he -- -- a public nuisance we let ago.
On the super Basel told us to go back -- -- and he says that you tell me that I need to differ my stats.
I refuse -- conducted in -- inspected the wall my partner fearful for a job when in the rest of them.
Another example a kid with a fake ID we contacted the young man for for drink -- -- public.
Tom could turn out to have -- -- underage what I did draw the most common non traffic citation assigned to bother comes up.
And says you have to rest him for liability purposes if you run that ticket.
And he goes off and is more rockets got that ticket in his pocket and he gets hurt they consider using -- -- and taken to jail.
And that where you're you're covered legally.
Some police officers talk about I wrote him up for appeal.
And -- a few cities have explicit quotes in woodland Ohio they don't -- it's a money -- they tell the staff it'll generate 200000 a year.
Well there's there's better ways more effective ways of doing what they're trying to accomplish only -- -- government is to protect the rights of the citizens and we can't.
Focus -- the citizens at the expense of folks known criminals you have to.
They're get off the streets out of the speed -- -- you and have a track for division the worse so we -- -- fond but the bulk of your police force.
He's be deterring crime and trying to detect and to do that they have to be in the neighborhoods that you get around these businesses.
Think -- just them coming up.
Ridiculous police access in my -- Got it back up -- And also government locks up nonviolent.
Mommy's and daddy's.
I was born.
Ten days optional download speeds -- Which should the government do to reduce crime and to persuade criminals that they.
Shouldn't break the law.
Bill O'Reilly thinks he knows imposing harsh mandatory -- 125 to life for rapists that's why you need mandatory.
Lots of legislatures.
Agree with them and they're now almost 200.
Mandatory minimum sentences in the federal criminal code and state -- there are more.
In Florida if you're caught with seven illegal pain pills you get three years -- Fifteen years if you've got 22 pills 25 years if you're caught with 44.
I find this hard to believe -- Karen garrison and great New -- say it's absolutely true.
-- is director of the Florida office of families against mandatory minimums Karen garrison sons were locked up for more than a decade.
Because of mandatory -- them so Karen what were they accused of doing.
One count conspiracy of cocaine.
And there were no drugs no guns my sons went to school every day they never missed -- -- in college.
Well they were convicted of intent to distribute cocaine in this specific amount ten kilograms.
And crack 500 grams the prosecutors must have had some evidence.
-- -- enable prosecutors that the -- they are powerful they created something called a conspiracy and put them in.
No drugs no guns were found -- my problem even they were tested.
The moment they were arrested.
And they didn't have drugs in their system.
-- so where were the guns and drugs when they belong to other people in the conspiracy that my sons didn't even know -- one guy Tito up AAF.
The informant that -- there was a lead from an informant made of this story and include in my sons Greg this is typical.
It is typical and the -- cases is represented of of the phenomenon generally.
We have low level offenders are people who who maintain their innocence.
They're the ones who tend to go to trial and they're the ones who tend to get the mandatory minimum at sentencing the people who know they're guilty to people who commit a crime they get caught.
They say hey I know I've done this.
I know I'm guilty.
They take a plea deal and often they get out well before the people who maintain their innocence -- get out sooner if they can say.
I know a guy who's still Lyndon implicates somebody else -- it's what's called providing substantial assistance so if I if I'm -- and criminal conspiracy nation being a snitch.
Yes exactly if I am part of a criminal conspiracy and I can give somebody else up and I'll get.
The irony of this is the unintended consequences the people who -- the top of a criminal conspiracy have the most information.
They run of the prosecutors they cut a deal and they get lower sentence is the people at the bottom of the people who don't know anything.
Less culpable lower level offenders don't have the information can't cut the deal and they end up serving obscenely long sentences.
Scott Earl served 25 years he's addicted device -- And what happened he had back surgery he got addicted to painkillers he'd met someone at a bar.
That person said I would love to have some painkillers kept hounding him hounding him and he said no I can't help you she Internet or -- turn -- -- undercover police officer in the end he set up deals for her to get pills he never sold them never made any money off the transactions.
He was arrested charged with trafficking and now -- serving 25 years mandatory minimum and the judge said this punishment does not fit the crime.
With great reluctance I have to sentence the defendant to to effect here that's a common reaction from judges they look at the circumstances of the crime and they say there's no way.
This sentence fits and yet I have to do it because the legislature has.
Given me no other option advocates for these -- missile would say good we're safer.
Better a lock a -- There's absolutely no evidence that mandatory minimums contribute to a decline in the primary none whatsoever there is no -- -- have gotten rid of their minimums in crime hasn't shot up absolutely New York.
Repeal the Rockefeller drug laws in 2009 crime is down Michigan repealed all of their drug mandatory minimums in 2003 crimes fallen 20%.
Robert moss sold marijuana for awhile then stopped selling it got out of the marijuana business but when his ex partners were caught they tried to reduce their sentences by.
-- moments -- moss wouldn't -- shown anyone and as a result was sentenced to twenty years in jail.
Here's one of his two daughters.
I was born ten days after my tablets because it.
I'm not -- in the house and then still lady.
A few years after that was taped their father was finally released.
I had never showed -- -- on my entire life.
It's there's something missing and I didn't want people to think ahead daddy issues just Nino pattern within an hour.
From the government as -- here and this is.
And you got the large -- Is lower than -- yet and a lot of groups with mandatory members working for mandatory minimums like -- they never gave up.
They went every day.
-- they -- -- -- a small reduction that they keep on.
The change helped knock out more than three years -- your son's sentence again will -- for awful months into off alarm to sentence.
Thank you care and Greg coming up.
The police have discovered new ways to spy on us for example.
You could hang up your phone and police.
Can steal listen -- it.
Did you know that.
The police now have new ways to spy -- it's years ago they might tap your home phone line.
But now get this.
They can turn your laptop.
Or your cell phone into a listening device they can listen T -- even when you're not using these things.
I didn't know about this just in Sanchez covers technology and privacy for the Cato Institute.
-- as it turns out this is something that was first reported a few years ago it's been in the light of the SA revelations.
More in the news spot.
Most cellphone carriers have the capability to remotely install spyware essentially on your phone remotely so they don't even if they touch the -- That's right it's it's like a kind of natural update in the same way -- your phone with update if there's and software upgrade to some kind.
Today keep it running as as fast and I don't call it an update if the off switch doesn't.
Turn the recording arts depending on whose idea of an upgraded news com but -- this is something I think in in real police states like China -- EC people are more aware of dissidents and political activists there -- off then.
Meet each other and take out their battery and put it on the table so -- everyone has assured that everyone is taking the appropriate precautions.
What other things that the do you worry about there's.
Dozens of ways we can be tracked our cell phones are tracking devices.
-- continues -- -- -- if they're gonna listen to us in the cell phone that also requires a war.
Yet listening requires a warrant -- location tracking if you're not using a physically install device.
May not so if you're using license plate readers to know where every car -- -- -- -- if you're using someone's cellphone records back checking what tower they were near every time they sent an email are attacks are made a phone call there are.
A variety of technologies that allow us to -- in different ways -- searched physically missing back scatter machines they're using airport to kind of provide.
The friendly TSA agent -- naked images of our bodies.
I'm can be used in a more portable way to look into vehicles to look under -- -- potentially to match suspicious shapes.
Com there are cruise down the street in a minute people exactly or or vehicles a lot of the public says.
If you're not doing anything wrong he had nothing to worry about and we're safer because of it.
Now the problem is to -- determines what's wrong if you look.
I think -- the history of our country and what you find is a decades long history under presidents of both parties.
Of the abuse of the power monitor for political purposes to suppress dissent in the most notorious case there was an basically decade long campaign.
Waged by the FBI.
In an effort to destroy and discredit Martha -- Martin Luther King so he could be replaced by what the FBI called the right kind of negro -- meaning.
One may control but it was also anti war activists women's rights activists other civil civil rights leaders.
Anyone that was seen as.
But -- incumbent authorities was treated -- -- you're smarter now this kind of thing wouldn't happen today if you look at both our history and and -- current events around the world becomes clear that.
When people have the power to observe the public.
-- -- their own actions being subject to oversight and accountability.
But they -- out as charity down without us watching the watchers they tend arrogant to themselves.
The authority to determine who is a threat and very off and you know someone who has a different political view.
Is a threat in their eyes as -- many dissidents in the sixties and seventies and the United States were seen as a threat more.
Police now are now using drones.
Miami Dade police with a high flying tool the eighteen pound drone that's being used in war zones in the past insects is -- Over the streets that had the camera attached underneath.
And it will happen more places.
You could say so what the satellites or look at at us now anyway.
He'll still matters.
And police can follow someone down the street and we think that's okay what if it were possible for the police to follow everyone down the street all the time.
Are we willing to accept in the name a safety a world where.
Everything every one does -- the second they step out of their own front door is now a matter of permanent record to be searched.
You know -- if not now maybe in a couple of years by someone who may not have safety as their primary interest.
Thank you Julian Sanchez for the Cato Institute.
Next the police in my town.
Engage in excess.
Got it back up.
Terror threats against Americans that threat is regrettable and serious.
When I hear those terror alerts I get a little scared I work here and -- time to -- in New York City we are a terrorism target.
Statistically however crime is actually a much bigger threat I'm far more like getting mugged by John -- and killed by terrorists.
In either case however want the police to protect me I want them to have the tools they -- But -- also want to be left alone.
And the police already have special power.
-- only two -- to do things in life voluntarily or forced.
Only government police officer for example have the right to use force on others they can detain us -- let's shoot us if they think it's necessary.
It's what it's important that we have this that constitution this limits what the police can do.
But the police -- all of -- respect -- like most people are happy to acquire more power and money.
And increasingly in America police -- is something called civil forfeiture law to take people's property even if they have not.
Been convicted of a crime.
If police simply say it was used in a crime this gives them powerful incentive to make accusations.
In order to get stuff.
Oklahoma police officers drive around in this Cadillac Escalade that says.
This used to be a drug dealers car now it's our.
Being able to keep stuff creates a big temptation -- get stuck.
A district attorney's office in Texas used forfeiture money to buy an office Margarita machine.
The New Yorker reports that in ten -- -- Texas police stopped people for routine traffic violations and if they have money with them.
Sometimes take them to jail until they agree to give their money to the city.
And if they resistant they have kids in the car the DA sometimes threatens to take kids away from them turn them over to Child Protective Services.
Felt like extortion to me.
Use of the forfeiture law is growing as usual government -- was 28 years ago the Justice Department collected.
About 27 million from four pictures.
Last year they grabbed more than four billion dollars for.
Government all lists grow.
Will this example from here -- my -- I like our police chief I think his department did a great job reducing crime.
But government grows even in the stupidest ways.
I got a backup my.
This is the senior Wall Street where more than a year ago during the Occupy Wall Street protests.
Barricades were placed around -- sculpture of the Wall Street ball.
The police officers were stationed here.
There's this tour guide tells its customers.
They had to put up these.
Barricades around the -- to protect the local police office.
They had to really didn't it's ridiculous.
The bull weighs more than three tolerance it's nearly indestructible.
The head of the neighborhood association says during the occupy protests was the most dangerous situation imaginable we have hundreds of people literally in the street.
Because the entire plaza was barricaded -- the only place to stand.
Was in the street even crazier even though the protesters are long gone that barricades are still here.
Forcing pedestrians to walk into the street.
It creates noise.
And it's dangerous.
That request to remove the barricades go on -- Well the police officers are still stationed here too.
I don't know whether they're maybe it's a waste of taxpayer dollars and -- -- Well our government seems to be taking full control of everybody's freedom.
Yes it is Thomas Jefferson once said that's the natural progress of things government grows freedom yield.
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