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Today ever does start things up with kind of a funny story you remembered Joey.
-- pretty some marching band friends and having a full marching band there.
To quit now everybody poured in order many critics at least -- in talking about how this is essentially current career suicide but.
My next guest Liz Ryan who is CEO and founder of human workplace.
Talks haven't actually isn't such a bad move for -- list -- us about why you think that you seem to be in the minority here.
I I you know the tide is turning with this step because -- -- quit that job a couple of years ago and he did obviously a really flamboyant way.
With his marching band friends going -- -- the Renaissance hotel and quitting and having a marching band fanfare.
I think the conventional wisdom for forty years has been that you never want to do anything professionally.
That's gonna hurt your brand in the sense that some big company won't hire you but you know what -- was done he's a millennial.
And branding is something that is very personal.
And it's your own stamp I'll tell you what he's got a speaking.
A persona and now he's got a career out there he's got a book deal.
I mean it's a different -- And the thing about rating is you're always gonna take somebody off you need Jolie you're always gonna bring people and this is worked out really well for -- and my -- -- -- yourself.
They're part of that is the dramatic quit that's the latest sentiment is -- something bad press.
I'm not well of course I don't want to hurt anybody I don't want to be destructive but short of that I'm not sure there is bad press I -- I think the key with Joseph equates is that -- was speaking his truth and a lot of people resonated with that -- -- -- and he's got three million used for that video.
On YouTube it's done pretty well for him.
But it that's the case -- Everybody in the aren't -- people forward to something like this backfire this.
What do you -- something like this run it down what how would you classify this kind of thing you mean like when -- specific when you become -- Torre is for doing something that in -- Flamboyant as you say or maybe even disrespectful to your boss.
If news travels that that's the kind of employee that you are.
Another loss may not hire you and -- case you're saying that he essentially is now self employed so he doesn't really have to worry about that maybe that will work out for everybody.
Here's the thing -- They were very disrespectful to him obviously for three and a half years he says that in the video.
People are going to fall on one side of the fence or the other just like the continental divide water runs Easter runs west.
-- has a lot of fans and he also has detractors.
You have fans and detractors.
I have fans and detractors the thing about brands is that they bring in the right people and they pushed the wrong people away so it doesn't mean that Joey has to be self employed there are having employers.
Start ups companies that want someone -- look at the kids.
He's charismatic he's telegenic he knows what he wants he plays the trumpet there are plenty of people that would -- -- And there are plenty of people that wouldn't.
And our message it human workplace to people is be yourself bring yourself to work and let the people who can resonate with your music do what.
And the people who want to run -- let offended that.
We don't have to live our lives and here -- minute ticked off especially some huge anonymous corporation that might in the future be offended by something that we did years ago in the -- Still live there are people too obsessed now with having everybody like them more better yet I'm nobody did they like them.
That's the key Diane you've nailed it everybody's view because we told and is still -- -- -- If you speak your truth you're going to make enemies you've made enemies undoubtedly you have right I don't without I.
You're going to make enemies so just bring in the right people.
Sing -- song get closer to your own -- your own vision that's what Joseph is doing and I applaud him a 100%.
You don't have to be enemies but in general and chances are -- like you say if you are on it.
Someone's going to disagree with you and that's just the -- That's the way it is and it's not a bad thing we've been taught since we were little children that conflict.
Is in -- of itself a bad think that's absolutely false you're going to bring in conflict.
If you speak your truth in fact that's the number one reason people muzzle themselves at work.
And on the job search is because they're afraid of offending we teach people to go out on the job in -- -- like.
Some kind of a robotic version of themselves that has their skills and background but none of their quirks -- Idiosyncrasies -- -- that's just that's horrible but -- When he wanted to comment -- a job interview for a job with clearance sale except list later and I got in Nevada and my saying -- couldn't that.
I wouldn't want that because you would be -- and now there's a proper way to be when you're with a new person that you're meeting.
For the first time it probably not slouching in your seat but this whole idea that we send people want to might background by the way -- is twenty years of corporate.
Human resources executive experience that's my background fortune 500 and I'm here to tell the people that watch Fox Business see yourself.
That is the number one thing you have to do when a job interview don't go there to please -- no.
Do you think about that all -- garbage doesn't help customer it doesn't help the shareholder ring your itself.
To a job interview the way to Chile -- and -- how -- you.
-- about branding yourself not only being yourself -- -- making it known what that means.
Well first of all where you branded you printed on Linkedin.
-- yourself finally did use a human voice in your Linkedin profile not a clone voice that says results oriented business professional what is that that's the zombie brand that's everybody that's direct adorable -- does -- has nothing about you.
Talk about your own story.
Talk about how you got to the place where you are.
What got you there what you love to do what you do well what you don't do well right.
-- you brand yourself in writing.
And Linkedin and also in your recipe.
The other way that you brand yourself is how you show a lot of course in person.
You Wear the clothes that you look good in and that feel like part of your brand and your persona.
Don't try to be some seven sort of cartoon version of the perfect job seeker there isn't one and you have no idea what they're looking for in any case.
Depend on where you're applying for a job if you are buying summer where the corporate kind of an atmosphere you're gonna want to show financier darn thing.
Well for sure if it's a corporate -- show you chose to either right I don't have to apply it every company so you do the thing that.
Right that they do in that culture absolutely right if it's a corporate environment you're not gonna probably Wear -- Hawaiian shirt sued the right because that's just why did you -- there if you have no interest in working in a culture like the one they have and I -- What if you have a potty mouth is it okay to Kirsten job and -- A potty mouth well you know it's human workplace we actually have a profanity scale and it starts with -- at all which is the prevailing view in many workplaces and it goes to certainly that hell and damn mid levels you know and then it goes all the way -- where we used the long form of the word mobile for exam hack.
And so so you probably wouldn't go all the way there to that end of the spectrum on a job interview unless it really is that kind of a place which.
Some start ups and some other organizations are.
But it's all a matter of culture matching between then.
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