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So how big guard these respective -- squabbles then doesn't really decide who settles and sooner.
The former Arizona.
-- senator Jon -- -- North Dakota democratic senator Byron Dorgan senator Dorgan and I'm not like to begin with you because this Nancy Pelosi dust up.
Seems to be getting some sort of traction among members who are concerned there on that walking off the -- thing with with this health care law part of that.
I don't think that's much of the story honestly I mean they're there they're the story that I had read in one of the journalists was about some freshman.
You know look freshman come here they're always very nervous about what they can or can't do and so.
Elusive freshman votes on some things but you know that Nancy Pelosi has it in most cases had a pretty unified caucus on the big issues.
Yeah but this is a very unpopular it's a senator with a lot of -- -- in a country.
Maybe I know the president's claim that it's because Republicans are just constantly bemoaning -- -- -- law.
The fact of the matter is I do think it's of the higher premiums that are scaring off average Americans not -- -- what Republicans are saying about it.
Google -- those Democrats freshman or otherwise to your point have a point.
Well I mean in addition some higher premiums in some areas is also some rebates to other consumers around the country so.
You know I you do this this is a big signature issue for the president the fact is.
This affordable care or active or Obama -- going to be around for awhile it -- probably its permanent.
As long as this presence in the White House and it did when it's implemented in much of that the last next in the next few years it's going to be around for a long while and my judgment.
Current senator -- let me switch around to your party's woes that whether we're -- too big a deal of -- but on whether it's -- Security and privacy is is -- like it seems -- opened up a wound within the party.
Making nice between the likes of Rand Paul and Chris Christie isn't changing.
It is this sort -- like a 1964.
All over again for Republicans where you have that.
The Rockefeller liberals on the Goldwater conservatives -- their versions today going at it.
Well both parties or groups of people who come together for common good but who may believe differently on some things.
And as Charles Krauthammer pointed out in his very interest in column today in the Washington Post.
How this does go back a long way out in our church to the 1960s as you say but.
They're bush spent two strains in the Republican Party one that's four more interventionist policy -- less so.
They were certainly able to come together during the Cold War and after 9/11.
Now that that's some time behind us it's probably.
Not too big of a surprise that you'd have that debate cropping up again and can I just say one of the things about what Byron said I think is actually right there and it's important for folks to realize.
Your most vulnerable election is the first time you stand for re election.
And you better be listening to what your constituents want you to do rather than what your leadership wants you to do.
You get elected a couple more times that you can start working with your leaders little bit more about.
Representative democracy is called them for a reason your -- What -- represent them well you know that's where it gets -- senator Dorgan since it is.
You about will -- -- on what issue the role -- government another issue.
And I think that for both parties is what they're -- wrangling and Republicans and how far the government goes keeping us safe Democrats how far we go.
Keeping us healthy but I think to get -- just what I'm saying that.
That will be a big topic -- 2014 that was the edge.
Well it will be a big topic but again I don't think there's an equivalency between the did the break in the ranks on the Republican side vs the house side.
-- -- the democratic side in the house.
A speaker Boehner has a very difficult circumstance over there because this is got a couple of groups in his caucus and he'll be very differently about these issues -- Health care will be an issue in the coming election.
Most members of the Democratic Caucus having voted for it feel very strongly about and also in a very positive way about this new piece of what does.
What is -- senator Doreen you're actually very is let's do what number -- the pluses and the minuses.
And indeed it appears at the time memories as a right you had read it and you were quite aware of -- and and then the rest -- -- premiums could go up look forward to the president's point now they might go down on the bright -- friends to join us.
But but I don't think many of your colleagues were I think that they were actually and genuinely surprised.
That premiums have gone up to the degree they have doctors ticked off to the degree they are.
And that there -- genuinely now on defense and they don't know why.
Is it that there.
Well let me again say that there are Americans getting a rebate checks out there from the insurance gonna -- I don't -- this that is and I didn't mean to -- out when I do think that when you look at just average -- from Gallup to CNN -- -- the Wall Street Journal the New York Times.
Did that what comes through loud and clear always -- as Americans are not like him.
But the instinct thing is they don't like -- term in the aggregate they like the specifics keep your kids on their reinsurance positive 26 say -- against net pre existing against that particular feature well my daughter's not leaving -- -- -- it preexisting conditions.
You know lifetime limits are gone so there there there are some really good things that people individually has been looking at the policies and.
Crazy maybe and I but I got it you know senator cops I'm wondering too -- do Republicans -- -- this battle let's say over health care.
Looking like obstructionists and all you do is is say we hated reiterated we wanted to -- -- -- whatever which appears to be going -- where the funding issue.
And that you'll that that's still looking like obstructionists that you're not coming up with clear alternatives and that might eat.
Bully tick off Americans.
Well look at the vote to just this week I think there were thirty or forty Democrats many of them freshmen including my congresswoman.
Who voted with the Republicans to not have the IRS fund.
The in order to not have the IRS be the enforcement entity and to make -- mandate.
Deferral for big business also apply to individuals so that they're treated fairly and you don't just deferred for a year with respect to -- -- corporations.
So there -- a lot of things about obamacare that are not popular and even Democrats and as a I don't call the exact -- -- it was thirty -- forty Democrats.
Who left Nancy Pelosi and voted with Republicans on that a lot of them freshmen again.
There's nothing wrong with representing your constituents I think what this is all about -- the people don't like it they don't like the IRS they're not but crazy about obamacare.
And why is it a big surprise that some Democrats especially those that are more vulnerable how -- their constituents' interest threat gonna ask you this -- -- -- can you understand why did does seem to be rising interest that this does happen a lot.
In a third party and independent party -- an alternative.
Senator -- Well again I think when they win the Affordable Care Act is finally.
Implemented I think is gonna have very broad support but -- I know I don't think there's going to be a third party and independent party when I do I would like see both political parties find a way to start working together -- -- I mean now welcome that needs to happen tonight.
You know I don't they -- well senator Kyl do you think there is a legitimate chance now about a third party.
Could make a go of it -- -- -- -- -- No I think one interesting thing is that the more libertarian strain of the Republican Party.
Is represented by some of the leaders in the party now who themselves might be candidates for president.
So if anything I think you might see that argument brought in more internally -- to the Republican Party rather than a threat of the separate party out there on the right.
Germany we shall see.
Voices of reason the both of you thank you guys I appreciate -- thank you welcome.
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