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President Obama today seeking to reassure Democrats about the implementation of ObamaCare during meetings with both the House and the Senate-- concerns from Democrats come as officials in Florida and Georgia are now warning that insurance rates for individuals could spite next year.
A new congressional budget office report shows the employer mandate the liable cost taxpayers, just $12 billion more.
Joining us now, former congresswoman and doctor, Nan Hayworth.
Great to have you here.
-Thank you, Lou.
It's great to be with you.
-Off the rails, what did John Boehner call it, a train wreck, the Democrats are trying to-- starting to make sounds like people who think it is going to be a train wreck and are preparing themselves.
-Max Baucus said the same thing.
Senator Baucus called it a train wreck.
You know, Lou, I'm very blest, I have the perspective as a doctor who's cared for patients for years and as a member of Congress for the Hudson Valley in New York, I heard the stories of hardship.
People do find that health care is very expensive, more expensive than it needs to be.
Their health insurance, they're struggling with the price of premiums.
Florida and Georgia now, we know-- -Right.
-are gonna have to raise their rates.
-And lots of states.
-The only state I've heard actually talking about premiums falling is the state of New York and that's highly suspect.
-But, secondly, they are the highest rates to begin with.
-What a mess.
-And the-- we have so much opportunity, Lou, to let common sense prevail.
If we could have a system that allowed people to use their own sense, with health savings accounts to purchase insurance from anywhere in the country, if we have real liability reform, then we could afford to help anyone who couldn't find insurance without massively taking over our health care from the Federal government.
I wonder if we have moved so far beyond that point.
We're talking about full on implementation-- -Yeah.
-whatever that means-- -Right.
-train wreck or whatever.
[unk] January and if people-- I don't get the sense of people wanna take responsibility for themselves.
I don't get the sense that they wanna have a debate over socialized medicine again.
And many people, frankly, are so frustrated with everything, they said, "The hell with it.
Oh let's have socialized medicine, let somebody pay for it, so long as it's not me." -But what do people know for sure and I just actually heard it from a very nice woman I was talking with earlier today.
Her health care insurance premiums are costing her almost $8,000 a year and she doesn't have that kind of job-- -Right.
-and she's-- she knows health care, health insurance is more expensive than it needs to be, she wants to hang on to her job.
People know that they're having trouble finding employment.
They don't like this law.
They know that the cost of trying to provide this healthcare plan is killing jobs and hurting businesses.
-You know, when you say killing jobs, there are lot of people out there who think-- well, you know, I don't know how many jobs they're killing, and they have no sense of their inter-relationship between the cost of health care-- -Sure.
-small business, its profit, its ability to-- -Absolutely.
-create jobs-- most of the jobs in this country.
And when you say killing jobs, you're talking about part-time work instead of full-time work.
-You're talking about if you're an employer, employees instead of more.
-I have had employers in the Hudson Valley who want to hire more people say, "I'm gonna hold it 49 because I can't afford that mandate.
I wanna provide an insurance plan for my employees, but I can't afford to provide insurance for them with premiums going up the way they are." It doesn't have to be that way, Lou.
-It was screwed up before ObamaCare.
I'm talking about health care in this country.
-The rising cost, out of-- -Agreed.
Pharmaceuticals, you-- cost-- insane.
-But, the fact of the matter is, doctors have been taken out of the equation.
Doctors seemed to have had no role in creating ObamaCare.
We know that every projection shows there'll be fewer doctors over the next decade-- -Not enough.
-We're going to have more folks, it looks like.
-What is-- what is the outlook for physicians who after all are fairly central to healthcare? -Well, if you look at the costing, I remember from having practiced, the cost of practicing in a state like New York, you have rent, you have employees who are costly in the state of New York.
You have rules and regulations you have to comply with and then of course we have now practice insurance, which have cost much of the country, is far more costly than it needs to be.
Doctors, unfortunately, are finding that they are having to close their practices or reduce their practices or even retire early from practice because they don't know they're gonna be able to afford to keep up.
-Some of the instruments rises high as over 100,000, a shortage of 100,000-- -Yes.
-doctors in this country over the next decade or so.
Do you think it's going to be that severe? How soon do you think we're able to see it than there were out of [unk]-- -Absolutely.
Well, the cost of medical school in this country is far higher than it needs to be and part of the reason for that is that our institutions, our medical institutions are far more costly than they need to be and that's a result of government's involvement for years.
We need to have common sense prevail.
This doesn't have to be Democrats versus Republicans.
We have an opportunity here.
Great to see you, come back.
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