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-Thank you very much.
-Well, I may gonna make a joke here.
I'm banking you saw this coming cases of misconduct among workers in the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) are soaring over the last three years.
A new report from the GAO finding that nearly 2000-- 2000 of those cases were deemed significant enough to be security breaches with more on this.
Peter Goelz, former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board, Peter welcome back to the show.
Good to have you here.
This is troubling to me.
These numbers only seemed to go up.
If you look at the past three years of these kinds of transgressions, it's just gets worse.
Why? -Well, it's a management problem and it starts with the size of the agency.
You know, you've got 56,000 employees.
Then you've got the nature of that job.
It is mind numbing.
And you've got managers that aren't doing their work.
-Well, it's clear they're not doing their work.
Some of them are sleeping on the job.
-The transgressions are just unbelievable.
I think everybody is a little frustrated with the TSA.
How dangerous is this scenario? Could it cause real problems in the system? -Well, it can cause problems, but the way in which they've structured aviation security they call up this a layered approach.
It's very difficult to conceive of a terrorist getting on board a plane causing a catastrophic event.
But what you have here is this kind of continual incompetence-- -Uh huh.
-that just drives the Congress to rethink the decision they made after 9/11 to federalize this program.
You know, with 9/11 they were private screeners at all of the check stations that allowed the terrorists through, and in response to that, they federalized it.
It's not working yet and I'm not sure it's gonna work going into the future.
-I want you to take a look at these numbers.
I'm sure you've heard these Peter.
Letters of reprimand 47%, suspended 31%, fired 17%.
What do you make of how these misconduct cases are being handled? Is this the right way? -Well I think-- I think they're doing actually a pretty good job on that.
You know, over a third of the-- of the so called cases were really attendance cases.
People late for work-- piece and-- but then they got more serious with people sleeping on the job.
If people sleep on the job, they're going to be fired.
That's-- That's the commitment.
The question is.
Are we getting a level of safety for the investment that we're making? And I think people think probably yes.
Can we do better? -No, but Peter-- -Of course we can.
-did you hear the story about the TSA agent who took his relative's bag, put it through past security.
-It didn't go through the machines like we do.
And then they stopped him and found out there were things in there that were illegal that you could not move through.
These are the kind of cases that people don't care about that really put us at risk.
-It can and that that guy got caught.
I mean, his supervisor did his job at that point.
He was fired.
But I mean, I still think that-- that with the layered security system, you've got better intelligence, you've got the flight doors that are armored, you've got pilots that can arm themselves if they choose, you've got flight attendants that are getting training and most importantly, you know, you've got passengers that are gonna take action as they have in the past and they're going to-- -Well, do we have to rely on the passengers and the pilot? My goodness.
Isn't that what the TSA is therefore? -Well they are.
And this is a problem and I think you're gonna see some real hearings coming up in the next six months with the expansion.
There's a privatized process going on with a couple of airports.
I think you're gonna see that expanded and to see whether a private system post 9/11 can be more efficient and provide better security.
It hasn't been proven yet, but I think we're gonna see it coming.
-Well, that can be an improvement.
If you know you're gonna lose your job, if you're doing the wrong thing, if you're in Senate by pay rather than being a member of the club that might be a good thing.
Peter, always good to see you.
Thank you so much.
-Thank you Geri.
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