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So let -- -- tap our phones and now a prominent house Republican wants to tap out funding and -- Michigan Republican just in -- -- joins us now congressmen.
How do you propose to defund the NSA.
Well thanks for having me on Charles what we're going to have is an amendment to the department of defense appropriations bill.
NSA's collection of americans' phone records so it's targeted specifically at that operation which is unconstitutional.
OK but you know when these agencies give money I mean all funding -- as fungible so.
If you can actually -- -- surgically say this particular part of your operation you can no longer do or will no longer funded.
That's right the language is specifically tailored.
To prohibit them from using funds for that particular purpose.
Now you have been obviously an extraordinary vocal critic what's happened over the NSA.
Can we say who legally that what they've done is unconstitutional every one that I know believes is unconstitutional but can we out come out say okay.
It's been proven to be unconstitutional therefore we're going to be funded.
Sure it's unconstitutional they're going into.
The phone records of every American in the United States without suspicion.
There's no precedent for -- in history.
There's no court case on point they sometimes like the center court case that from the 1970s that isn't really on point at all.
-- so there's there's really no precedent for what they're doing and it's clearly an unreasonable search and seizure in violation of the Fourth Amendment.
All right representative substances -- rule committees chairman.
It's kind of hinted that he wants to limit amendments and some people think that -- some amendments like yours that.
There's your message resonating with what your fellow colleagues particularly Republicans.
Yes it's absolutely resonating and it's not just Republicans it's Republicans and Democrats.
I worked on a separate bill with the congressman John Conyers the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee.
We have about forty co sponsors on that split split evenly between Republicans and Democrats.
He's working with me on this amendment.
We have a -- wider spectrum of Republicans and -- and Democrats across.
Across the entire political spectrum -- with us on this issue and people go back their districts and their Harriet from their constituents.
So do you think this vote will be largely symbolic even if it goes through the house would be largely used largely symbolic and send the message.
We're could ultimately actually -- on that particular sort of operation within minutes and -- -- Our goal is to be -- that operation within that within the NSA and I think we can do -- I think we have the numbers to do it.
If these amendments are not allowed to be offered on the floor which is a possibility.
Then I think there's a very good chance that we can take the bill down through procedural vote prior to the vote on the final passage of the bill.
-- before -- a lot of people miss against sandy Garrett superstar in the making.
And there's been some scuttlebutt about running for the senate you wanted to update us on that before -- let you go.
Well I'm still looking at it but I'm happy to be representing my district it's a fantastic -- -- to represent I feel so grateful every time I go back home.
But Michigan's a state that I think is winnable and and I'll be looking at a very carefully.
Represented -- Hamas this is a real serious issue that you -- and also we thank you we'll be back with you real soon thanks a lot.
Thanks so much.
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