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I -- what -- -- -- I'm told Orwell's 1984.
Has come to America.
This Big -- has gotten a lot crazier than George Orwell -- whatever again when you call grandma and Nebraska.
The NSA knows the president says you have nothing to worry about nobody is listening to your tell us.
The government officials do -- does the NSA collecting any type of data at all.
My fellow libertarians are mad at me they say I'm not angry enough.
You know I don't think this is John Stossel I think it's an imposter but I'm angrier than she is from I don't mind it's not like it's going to be on -- and the big brother and privacy.
That's our show today.
65 years ago that novel struck -- core.
People feared that -- future would bring government spying on us through Telus screens that were everywhere even in our bedrooms.
-- brother was watching.
When computers became popular people feared that the Internet would become government's way of controlling us.
We libertarians said -- all the opposites -- the Internet and personal computer revolution has freed us from all kinds of government controls.
And it did.
But lately we learn about several orwellian like intrusions on our privacy.
Most recently that the National Security Agency tracks are phone calls and some emails.
This is a terrible threat to American liberties says congressman just an amount so.
Congressman why they're just mining -- they're not listening to our phone.
-- Well it violates the constitution the Fourth Amendment protects us against unreasonable searches and seizures in this clearly violates the Fourth Amendment and the problem we have is that the government is gathering information using what's essentially a general -- which was outlawed by the constitution.
They're going after people not on the basis of any suspicion not on the bases of any probable cause.
But just because their people just because the information.
Is useful to the government and that's what our founders expressly prohibited with the constitution.
What it's useful to me to rule if it keeps me from being blown up by a terrorist and the fact that -- just scanning everybody in some ways makes it seem like less of an invasion of privacy.
Well look at the reason the founders believed it was wrong was because we didn't want the government collecting this kind of information they put the constitution in place.
To prevent the government from injecting itself into our personal affairs.
And you could do away with a lot of the constitution and and argue that maybe that makes us safer you can also do away with the First Amendment Second Amendment Third Amendment.
-- six are generally I don't -- -- -- -- what -- one could argue that and say well look now the government can control everything they can prevent all crimes.
I doubt it would work very well but that's what they can argue but of course we have a police state and that's expressly.
Prohibited by the constitution the reason we have a constitution is -- -- government from doing nets.
Leaving the constitutional argument just for a moment can you make this live for me war I don't see how.
My privacy is being invaded by these massive scale.
Well that's fine if you completely trust the government our -- I don't trust the government I don't trust the government.
The government can use the information to.
For example blackmail a corporate executives they could use the information to persuade members of congress to vote a certain way.
And they can use the information against the public we don't want a culture and our country of of distrust.
Of of fear I have my parents came from the Middle East they came from regimes that -- To radical.
And in those countries people were afraid to talk on the phone they are afraid to talk to their neighbors.
Because they're afraid everyone was a spy for the government we don't want that kind of culture here in this country it has seen a damaging effect on our culture.
You can't see it here I made up this list of a hundred things I hate more than the more as much as the NSA spying.
And what word -- we're rank this mean you you believe in liberty.
Is it worse that they do this data mining then the fact that they employed 22 million people.
That they say where our kids must go to school that we have a seventeen trillion dollar deficits.
And that they passed Dodd-Frank that there's.
What's how much can we be angry about.
I think it's all bad but when you have direct violations of the constitution when you have someone trying to.
Infringe upon the Fourth Amendment -- the First Amendment or the Second Amendment.
Those are serious threats against our liberty and more serious in many ways -- the kind of financial exploitation of the government's involved and it's true that the government is bloated I'm not there's been no bigger advocate for balancing our budget and getting our debt under control than.
-- but at the same time we have to look at this up our civil liberties that's why we fought a revolution.
Back in the seventeen hundreds is because of civil liberties violations.
In the seventeen hundreds we got the Fourth Amendment partly because British soldiers were going in people's homes.
And taking stuff from -- searching your most private space.
How is looking for patterns in a billion phone calls anywhere like that.
Well -- the problem is the legal theory they're using -- the legal theory they're using is that anytime you -- Third party provider to story -- your documents and most papers today are electronic their digital.
So most of the papers and effects that we have in modern times our digital papers and effects.
And the the government is using the -- the false and flawed logic and argument.
That that is all available to the public once once you put her out on a third party server.
The government has the right to have David because it's no longer private and that's ridiculous.
Us and what do you say to the claim that.
Maybe fifty terrorist incidents were stopped we don't you even know that number's accurate -- most of the information is classified we can't get McCain at the bottom of it and frankly.
A lot of the court opinions that deal with the these cases are classified in a way where members of congress can't get the opinions.
Part of what we're doing with our bill is trying to make sure that these are cases are available to members of congress.
Right now I actually can't read the court opinions that are interpreting the laws like the Patriot Act.
Well it certainly is a problem when they say it secret trust us congressman a -- thank you.
Now the other side congressman Mike Pompeo supports the -- a series fine congressman why you heard what your fellow Republican just sent.
John thanks you thanks for government on the show the good news in this case is that we don't have to give up any constitutional right and we can keep America safe.
These programs that the NS they're conducting despite what represented remarks that are -- constitutional.
And there is incredible oversight from all three branches of government exactly how the founders intended it.
Another article one oversight that's folks like me who sits on the House Intelligence Committee.
The program that's run by article two we've got article three courts by the courts these are judges.
-- nominated by president confirmed by the senate just like all of our life tenured judges.
-- these are these are programs that have been conducted lawfully and constitutionally.
And as you said represented a box that kept a lot of Americans -- for a long time.
But you don't have a record being skeptical of government.
Why do you trust among us.
John I doubt trust individuals there's no one who brings a deeper distrust of the federal government to Washington DC than me.
But I I've seen this process.
The concerns that represented -- has about this -- he talks about them.
Listening to calls and and and data mining but those just aren't happening even even mr.
Hasn't -- a single thing that's unlawful.
Right he -- identified single tasks that the governor has taken on in the history of this program.
That there's been an unlawful action is it okay for them -- just lied to us James clapper the Director of National Intelligence said.
This when asked about government -- Does the NSA collecting any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans are.
No -- -- I'm part of the rules.
The rules are you tell the truth.
clapper that case I've heard -- story stories totally unacceptable.
That's not how he should have answered the question -- should have been more careful or he should have given.
I'm probably the most appropriate answer that setting which was is a classified programs and I can't talk about in the setting.
And I'm happy to share that with you in -- -- -- it's appropriate -- -- the bad guys already assumed that we're doing -- Was this really a revelation.
John I'm sure they assume a lot of things but it's important that these programs remain secret and classified in many cases I can tell you that's already.
After that mr.
Snowden release of this information through the guardian.
National Security Agency.
Information indicates that al-Qaeda is behaving differently.
-- -- they might well have suspected that some of this was going on -- but -- learned a couple things right they learn not only what was going on but they've also learned the legal limits of these programs.
-- have -- that is very dangerous.
Allows the enemy have insights -- -- things were doing to go catch really Baghdad the terrorists who still want to kill us.
So this is a rare time when you are in full agreement with our commander in chief.
You can't have.
A 100% security.
And also then have a 100%.
And zero inconvenience.
You agree and take.
Though I I sort of agree with the president it would be indeed a rare time when I agreed with this president -- -- I don't do this issue with partisan.
In any fundamental way.
It's not clear how crucial to national security the data mining is senator Rand Paul points out that.
We already have so much stated the FB IMRS.
Tips they have like the tip about the Boston Marathon bombers and others.
But we can't seem to keep up with the people we've been told about remember the underwear bomber his dad turned him and we couldn't keep up with -- -- still got on -- plane.
And -- they think somehow they're gonna go to billions of bits of information every day.
What's your answer to that.
John here's the glorious thing.
We're not going through these billions of bits every day this this collection of these phone records that mr.
Snowden has talked about are not being use for data mining.
They're being used when there's a specific terrorist case that we can identify and we say hey we think we've got some information that leads us to -- to go check these phone records.
And so it's not the case that -- constantly data mining going through billions of records these are very specific -- of this information always.
With buys a court approval.
That's exactly the kind of program I think the Americans would expect.
I guess my last thought is this no program.
Is gonna catch small there's no way that you can ever -- -- in the department.
And gonna catch every single instance of terrorism.
But these programs have been important and -- have been effective and are absolutely critical to rounding out our nation's intelligence collection apparatus thank you congressman -- Thank you -- Coming.
-- as I said before libertarians are -- meet some call me disgusting.
A lot you know.
That means libertarians in name only.
I'll respond to that later.
But Mexican government intrusion I really am angry about the prior arrests abuse of people who have the wrong idea.
Why are they in my kitchen why are they looking through my books.
-- had private confidential tax information leaked.
And conservative groups were systematically.
Targeted by the IRS.
That's -- scandal that's clearly worth getting angry about congress into wisdom has.
Decided if you give money you and advocacy group you don't get a tax deduction.
If the group spends more than 50% of its money on political active.
This spring we learned that the -- is selected 500 conservative and Tea Party groups for extra scrutiny.
Agents were told me -- the look -- for words like liberty patriot constitution.
-- -- iris bureaucrats then denied tax deductions the Tea Party groups for more than a year.
And harass them with question after question.
And in a few cases leaks they -- donor lists.
Sometimes -- them to left wing groups that is despicable this is just raw political abuse.
Brooke Rollins Rollins one group that was abuse the Texas public policy foundation so what happened -- you guys.
Well John what happened to us and the spring of last year 2012.
Our donor list and as a five and 23 charitable organization which is what our organization is.
We have to file with the iris a list of our larger donors.
But as you know that list is supposed to remain anonymous in the IRS in return promises to blackout every name.
Before releases that information about the organist and why shouldn't be anonymous people say if you give to a political cause you -- to be -- Well this goes back to the founding of our country in my opinion the right to associate and to engage is inherent in a democracy in a free we -- -- to -- just have to -- be public about well let's go back to the civil rights movement back in Alabama vs NAACP.
The state of Alabama tried to force NAACP during the civil rights era.
To disclose their donors and as we all know why would they do that -- they would do that because they think they could.
Threaten those people not to get money any more or -- -- you know the givers of the NAACP to back down.
And they knew that that current state of affairs and Alabama was going to change unless they were able to.
Undercut or delete the NAACP is power and what they were trying to do so the US Supreme Court said absolutely not.
We have rights as Americans to remain anonymous when we support those whose ideas we believe and.
And likewise -- your doors.
-- that gee if my name is publicize may be LB harass the way the Coke Brothers.
That's exactly right and not surprisingly the Coke Brothers were on our list.
As -- many other great Americans and -- maneuvers and when the left seize control of this list and wrote about it a lot of their magazines their blogs or web sites.
That harassment started to come about so absolutely.
Then there's that targeting this didn't happen to you you already have a tax exempt status this happened to others and at first the IRS commissioner says all -- no targeting.
In -- year later slowest learner reveal the truth in response to a question that she.
-- And -- -- commissioner then several mistakes were made by people trying to be more efficient.
In their workload that's all if you say Tea Party -- patriot they know -- year and advocacy group.
They were just doing their job.
That's what they're saying what is amazing and I had the new stories today -- since yesterday -- that but.
The report from ERS.
We had progressives in our list of this week that was released this just happened in oh my goodness so we were really targeting conservatives we were targeting everybody.
But John have you seen one progressive group stepped forward and say we were harassed.
Have you seen one progressive groups say wait a minute IRS you.
The latest for two years you -- is produced 23000.
Pages of documents which one of these groups had to produce and in their quest to become.
A C four we haven't seen any of that win Big Brother gets so big that they have to know everything about you to be able to give you everything you want.
That begins the ruin of our country and I think that's the crossroads where we are right now and that's by the show was so important and why your viewers must understand what's at stake here.
And when government is so big and you want the tax deduction.
You have to give them all this information and actually -- you know when they say targeting people it doesn't live until you mentioned the 23 pages of documents that the leadership institute -- to provide 233000.
Pages that's right the coalition for life of Iowa was -- explain in detail the activity at prayer meetings.
Provide the percentage of time your group spends on prayer groups compared with other activities.
And at one group the American patriots against government excess -- like that name.
Was required to provide a synopsis.
Of every book -- it.
The president of the group said gee I thought I don't have time to provide a book report you can read them for yourself she sent them to them and included a copy of the constitution.
Which is great but it goes to the bigger point.
That what is happening here must stop when government gets so big this is what happens and this is why we have to stand up and -- -- It straight you know some of the laugh don't see any problem with what they hire arrested here's the former head of the tax division.
I couldn't find any thing that suggested the IRS had acted inappropriately.
Acted perhaps in effectively had a couple places but not inappropriately.
I haven't seen what they did wrong how would they are supposed to evaluate how much political activity.
501 C four wants to engage in it.
-- it's all just fine you know the fact that.
Those guys can stand up and say that to me is astonishing.
But it also in my opinion -- such great opportunity for the people of this country to stand up and say no more no more.
We will hope that will happen thank you Brooke Rollins coming up.
More ways your privacy is invaded and back to the -- -- data mining which I admit.
I don't mind that much I'll try to get educated by.
A libertarian -- of -- You know I don't think this is John Stossel I think it's an impostor.
I'm furious at my government all the time.
On my web page I posted this list of a hundred things that -- -- -- me about government overreach.
The entire rest bias against Tea Party groups that's discussed that farm subsidies spend Ozzie corporate welfare that the minimum wage it's all discussed it.
I can go on a hundred times in fact he could probably get to 200.
But government computers standing everybody's phone records to see patterns that might lead to terrorists.
I -- conflict that about there.
To triggered a Polycom also they shouldn't be I should be furious so.
Educate me I think you should be furious.
Because you believe that we have natural rights that come from our humanity.
Among which is the right to be left alone.
To preserve the right to be left alone right deprived left alone by terrorists you will also want to be left alone by the government.
Because if the government doesn't leave you alone you'll have no privacy.
And people do not behave normally naturally or to their full extent when they're being watched by the government and then need the government's permission.
When the government knows.
Every phone call we make from where we make the call.
Tool whom we make the Cole how long the call was where they work.
And can plug that into their algorithms they can predict all kinds of behavior about us and they are not entitled to any of it under the constitution.
Without a search warrant.
I still just don't personally feel the threat.
I give up all this private information much will order Google and FaceBook what you do so willingly.
You -- and decide not to deal with Google government is of course correct book and Carol government is forced now you're coming around John you cannot avoid that artery that right of course -- -- and FaceBook can't lock me up or assassinate -- correct and I have my information about there to -- -- say they can look at all this.
I think of the cellular Lee and kid you're in -- intercepting it in the year and your ship urine nation is not out there it's flying through the years these these electronic waves.
Don't what you assume media matters is -- had its -- information -- media matters does not protect me from the government the Fourth Amendment does.
Media matters just like Fox News just like Google and FaceBook are free to do things that the government is not free to do.
That's why we have this fourth and then to keep the government out of our bank books and out of our bedrooms and frankly John off our backs which is worse.
That are renegade former spy divulge the truth about government lawbreaking or that government officials lie about what he exposed.
And picking up a year which is worst theme for something else.
I have anchor fatigue is this worse there are seventeen trillion dollar debt -- the drug war than what we've done to American Indians and so one.
I don't know if it is worse than that but it could lead to something that's worse than.
Currently the -- -- and slow yes of course to the to the slippery slope I mean a single phone call in the computer.
Of a single spy is innocuous.
But all of our phone calls in the air revealing everything about ourselves exposing our innermost thoughts and and behavior to the government.
Will eventually turn -- into east Germany where the government knows who did wrong.
And the government knows who knows who did wrong.
And the government prosecutes people who didn't squeal on their neighbors in the last five years of that society the most frequently prosecuted crime.
Was the failure to turn in one's -- do we really want that society here that's what this will -- our -- that we do not but then.
What do you say about two respected libertarians you know who they are I assume you respect them Richard Epstein and Roger -- and wrote.
The critics to be more credible -- ticket identify a pattern of government abuses but after twelve years of continuing practices.
They can't site even a single case they are they're both friends of and friends and colleagues of yours.
And we disagree profoundly if seizing the private thoughts.
Of every American is not a pattern of government abuse I don't know what is thinking that this way the government's powers derived from the consent of the governed.
Did you consent to this do you know anybody I'm not I don't consented to steeple and that the terrorism fear is overblown but people who were frightened parents -- that's -- consent to it for themselves but not for the rest of us thank you.
Here's what our president said in response to criticism about the NSA -- People can't trust not only -- executive branch but also don't trust.
Congress and don't trust.
To make sure there were abiding by the constitution due process and rule of law then we're gonna have some problems.
An absolute canard after Ben -- the Associated Press the rose an affair and the IRS nobody trusts his administration.
And who would trust congress when they like senator Wyden who's heart is in the right place.
We're told -- the NSA was doing -- took an oath not to reveal it and who would trust these federal judges who granted.
Of every applications soared well for a you have for oversight but congress and these federal judges transparency.
When the public knows what's going on the government will be afraid to trample our -- the government has created.
A bizarre system of secret courts and secret information to the congress congressman know about it they can't tell anybody bad they can't vote about.
Saying -- it's based on secrecy.
Mean they can we should I do -- they conspire and farmers all they want.
But I didn't authorize a government to spy on me and you didn't authorize this government to spy on you know I did not.
But I wonder if there's not some justification.
In NSA spying fake you judge I'll keep trying to learn from you and others up next.
Often Big Brother wants more than our records.
It's -- pictures to.
More and more surveillance cameras watch.
I've gotten used to that though in my -- complacent don't.
We debate that next.
Also put more security cameras in all across America.
They'll save us from another attack.
Do you guys okay would more surveillance cameras how do you.
I don't give it.
Well I don't wanna get bombed either and if cameras -- -- discouraged added catch bombers help stop.
Other crime two murders and robberies.
I would say that's good.
But the cameras are also a form of Big Brother watching.
All the time they -- sheriff -- Martins says the loss of privacy is worth that we are safer because of Cameron's.
No we're not -- ginger McCall all the cameras don't even work.
She's with the Electronic Privacy Information Center so ginger -- they don't work I assume -- -- -- Well historically we've seen that the cameras are neither effective at preventing crime nor are they effective at solving crime.
One what do you mean again they are they so that's how we -- in the Boston Marathon bombers.
Well it actually that it isn't necessarily how we found the Boston Marathon bomber there were a lot of things going on there there were eyewitness identifications there were.
Surveillance cameras that were privately owned not government on surveillance cameras and eventually they -- the fingerprints of the older brother.
And there in Boston is there are government on surveillance cameras and it did nothing to prevent the -- and we've seen two attempted bombings in Britain.
Which is one of the most heavily surveil and London which is one of the most heavily surveillance cities in the war.
Yeah -- that it is remarkable 500000.
Government cameras in London they called it -- -- of steel.
The closest comparison the United States Chicago they have 101000 cameras -- 500 now.
But in London.
They had a bombing they had -- an attempted bombing that didn't work and from that.
Picture is -- what caught the bombers before they can do it a third time I call that a.
Well not necessarily a success again if if the cameras were really successful there would be no crime in London there would be no bombings in London.
And they're certainly not successful it prevents a high standard -- -- -- why not have government camps.
Well these cameras revealed very private information they -- very private information about where you go who you go there with -- association all information who you're spending your time list.
If -- cameras that record audio they can record your conversations at their cameras that just record video.
They can record you going into the sex therapists office the gay bar.
The abortion clinic.
Any number of places that you would probably not want other people to know that you're going.
Sheriff mark and what about that.
Well I think ginger is missing the point here John as matter of fact.
I think the Boston bombers were prevented from committing other offenses in your own city in New York.
So that video surveillance helped identify the suspects and although perhaps you didn't prevent that initial offense -- preventing offense -- down the road.
In I think it's an effective tool for law enforcement.
Now -- I want to point out here that that in the in the instance of of Boston it was not again government -- cameras that.
That ended up helping to identify the suspects it was cameras and John I would start at private companies and private individuals.
And -- -- would tell you were less concerned about whether public cameras or privately held cameras the fact that that.
They're capture an image and help the law enforcement it's an effective piece of technology.
The sheriff -- and I should disclose I have sort of a nepotism connection here and that he's the father of -- assistant Alex who's here in the studio.
But that shouldn't affect the contents of who we just thought you'd be a good spokesman.
What do you say about the examples of abuse and there was a San Francisco police officer use surveillance -- stop -- women.
Cops were caught zooming in and couples embracing and fondling on rooftops and Alabama the camera zoomed in on the brass and bought -- of several young women.
But the police officers involved in an automobile crash we take all police cars away from those officers.
Absolutely not those are individual incidence.
And those officers need to be disciplined.
Through the administrative process so you don't take -- the -- net technology because of a single incident of abuse.
Thank you sheriff -- in -- ginger McCall coming up.
When it comes to government spying some people say nothing to hide you worried about.
Well there is plenty to worry about government like everyone makes mistakes.
And government mistakes are more serious because government can take away your freedom.
This Oregon man and his daughter will tell us the terrible thing that happened other -- One reason I'm not that upset yet about the NSA tracking my phone calls is that.
I've already given up much of my privacy.
Google and FaceBook have access to all kinds of private information about me.
But there is a big difference between Google FaceBook.
-- to -- and government FaceBook can't change me or assassinate me.
Government -- People say well if you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.
But Brandon Mayfield and his daughter sure I had did nothing wrong they live in Oregon and they've never been to Spain.
But after terrorists bombed trains in Spain.
The FBI became convinced that Brandon is fingerprint was on a bag of detonators found at the scene.
What followed was a nightmare.
Sure right you were twelve at the time what what happened.
Yes I was in school on that date -- 62004.
I got picked up on my older brother.
I was called into the office and he told me and a very grim voice let's go outside right now.
And I said well what's going on.
He's a postcard sites I walked outside with him and he looked at me and said -- was arrested by the FBI.
And I was in total shock I thought it was a joke I should -- -- underground but he kept walking and when we reached at and where my mother was she was following inside.
So I knew that was no joke.
And brand -- -- stayed in jail for two weeks.
Yeah I got a knock on the door.
And there was.
I'm a big burly individual kind of shook short -- crew crew cut diminutive.
Saying they wanted to talk to me and -- -- update might be solicitors and I said I'm not interested thank you.
And then they said they identify that they were from the the FBI that show their badges.
I noticed that they had holsters at their side with guns.
And I was I wasn't particularly surprised at that point to be.
Question by the FBI.
I mean you're -- Islam.
I had just moved to the the Portland community and I was getting I was hearing stories from other.
Muslims that they -- are being.
Have to talk to the FBI being questioned by them even.
-- sure dry out even before that -- fought something weird was going on in your house.
Yeah I had creeping suspicion that people are watching us before this event occurred.
Even a year or more before it occurred and especially.
-- -- -- One of the biggest giveaways for me it was a hard drive that was taken out of my computer just -- in my bedroom.
And not put back in properly I was only twelve so I don't know how computers work very well I didn't know back then.
But I was aware that someone had been tampering with my computer hard drive and the screws were not acting properly on the on the desktop monitor.
And we learned later that they had almost 300 photographs of items and documents in our house they had Peru's.
Our house -- we weren't there.
On on more than one occasion had gone and then the Streisand live to our Hydro hard drives they have take taken fingernail clippings.
DNA samples remedies are garbage cigarette butts how they get your fingerprint -- -- -- you've never been to Spain your passport had expired.
Actually CIA enlisted in the military in 1984.
Actually went back and it has an office there.
Through the RTC.
Scholarship program is called the green to go program.
And -- I was I was fingerprinted.
I even was had had a secret clearance one point even we're from military intelligence units -- Had an application for -- plants.
Yeah it is ironic.
And and apparently they had you know they allegedly.
They actually found a latent fingerprint -- -- print number seventeen on eight a blue bad.
The -- detonators.
In a white van outside of that train station where.
-- train bombing occurred.
And that Lleyton was then.
And it was sent to various.
-- agencies around the world including.
The FBI's fingerprint examination -- -- -- go through FBI examiners agreed to a fingerprint matched -- Yeah I think was actually three agreed.
An independent expert also agree.
So you want and then -- said.
-- they base they said that they had fifteen points of comparison which is a pretty strong match that.
Unbeknownst to us and we did learn this until later.
They'd actually the Spanish police work diligently doing there.
Criminal investigation and they were looking at the trends and they -- it wasn't a match and.
My experience is when the police make a mistake they almost never even say sorry.
But in this case at least the FBI apologized -- they wrote a letter the FBI apologizes to mr.
mayfield and his family for the hardships.
That this matter cause.
And they paid -- two million dollars.
-- I have to I have to give him credit I mean that that's counts for something I mean I grew up in the midwest and handshake and somebody's word goes a long way.
So I appreciate that but one of the things that people forget is we weren't going to agree to anything -- thing myself my -- we discussed it.
We -- not going to agree unless we were able to challenge provisions of the Patriot Act which amended.
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
Which made it possible for the government government to do what they did I want -- they have a warrant from my rest and -- on the day was arrested.
They also had secret work warrants from a secret court suffice -- court allowed them to go in and do all the snooping and -- that they did.
Even though they didn't have probable cause to arrest me.
And as you said earlier in your segment.
They used FaceBook you know you use Google you just assume people are looking at your data that you don't think that they're gonna come after you but but what I think I -- does he.
You could stay had given the happy ending and she bit.
People worried about the NSA spying.
-- this is the worst case we could find what happened to you.
And they apologized.
And gave you two million dollars maybe we shouldn't fear the government.
-- like to China and there.
My biggest concern after my dad was released and continuing till today is that these policies are continuing to exist.
And it's not so much that my dad was a victim.
Of the government's policies but I like to say that he was symptomatic.
The sort of policies that we have now so.
If it can happen to hand it can happen and others and it may very well be happening to others and we don't even know about it and tell our Fourth Amendment right is restored.
I'm not going to be fully satisfied with just an apology I have to see actions taken to show that this will never happen again to anyone.
Did you thank you sure -- Brandon -- out of time for this coming up since I'm being hammered by libertarians -- try to better explain.
Why I'm less bothered by the NSA that I am about other things on this horrible list my list of -- hundred.
Nasty things government does.
When the NSA data mining was revealed I felt threatened here's my government caught lying again.
He secretly vacuum -- -- we thought was private.
I want my government to know everything about -- some things ought to be private.
But the government says the data helped them prevent fifty terrorist incidents.
I don't believe -- bureaucrats all this exaggerate the value of their work why would this be different because it's the Homeland Security state.
Well people keeping secrets are more prone to a ballot.
On the spies say what they do is constitutional.
Federal judges approve everything they won't abuse this power.
But I don't trust them they always abuse power.
As one libertarian blogger put it were all gonna suffer from the power the NSA if we don't check them now.
But then other libertarians -- -- and they defended the spying pointing out national security is an area where government is still desperately needed.
And a wall street journal editorial added data mining is less intrusive on individuals than routine airport security.
That's certainly true.
-- started to think about other things my government does that I really hate her feel threatened by an -- Quickly had this list of -- hundred things.
Encourage you to start your own list that's revealing how easy it is to get 200 and well beyond that.
-- some of these are less invasive -- data mining but all are horrible.
These do get me worked up.
The fact that government grew so much that it now employs 22 million Americans.
I'm furious about our debt and continue deficit spending for things like 100 million dollar presidential trips.
And dubious pork.
And programs that don't work.
The drug war causes crime imprisons millions of Americans disproportionately.
Minorities that's horrible.
So -- corporate welfare and farm subsidies and the flood insurance that help people like me.
Government keeping American Indians -- -- by smothering them with socialist central planning that's evil.
So is too big to fail and just having a 170000.
Pages of federal law there were all supposed to bay.
I'm infuriated by.
More than this list of a hundred things that government darts but data mining compared to all these other abuses.
I need to learn more about that.
And for saying that libertarians now call me disgusting -- -- a lying no libertarian in name only.
Some agree with my list but they also agree with the blogger who wrote the existence of worst violations is not a reason to dismiss.
Pretty damn bad -- And that's true I don't dismissed that danger in data mining -- the -- but.
Keep it in perspective why is a newly discovered thread immediately declared much more outrageous -- all of these old wants its.
The NSA argument at least has two sides terrorists do want to kill us.
If any terrorism is prevented by something -- in personal estate of -- The end may justify to me so I say the jury's out on the NSA.
Government this plenty of other things things that free people are right to be furious about.
And will keep reporting on them.
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