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When he indicated -- you see this Snowden.
As a hero or.
Well I think that.
It's a complicated thing and it's important to separate the what he revealed the information that we really do want to know about especially as Americans from how he revealed it.
You know whistle blowers in heroes they don't go to Moscow they don't cover China they don't go to Q.
Yeah debater in the treatment of prior whistle blowers -- -- losing the argument that he saw what happened to prior whistle blowers and life was not he's.
Except for the fact that -- he was a real hero he could have gone to congressional committees and if he likes Republicans -- Republicans in the house -- they went to China but it really -- -- -- last name is -- But I I do think that we need to separate out you don't think would -- as a person same thing -- Julian Assange you know nobody's idea of a hero in terms of his personal life for anything like that.
But what they're doing is actually really radically altering the way that governments the -- the corporations the way that power players come work.
And I think it's all to the good we're living in the end of power as we've understood it for centuries.
Through corporate power -- most political power in these guys are the change agents and we need to keep our focus on.
What's what the government is doing to asserts Edward.
Snow read -- -- anything else John I agree I agree and nick it's a threat to pop.
But the fact is it is in every American citizens interest that we know what's going on in other countries and their intentions.
But it is -- no American citizens interest to have their own government spying on them.
Without due course.
And they were there are two big issues -- and I think I agree with nick it's about -- And the -- -- is facing a serious threat on the Internet.
It's not a good until I looked through my own little warped world of Wall Street -- and -- this would jarring it's been a threat to capitals a threat to us.
Then we would see it in the markets right now the markets have been coming back and I think it did a lot of revenue due.
With about the Ben Bernanke might not be taking a punch bowl away having nothing to do -- our secrets being frittered away.
I think is a big story and it gets -- red -- blood -- whether she Europeans and the Americans who were being spied on.
The fact of the matter is we are and we have been from the beginning of time.
-- -- -- -- -- -- You know people now there are no secrets anymore.
Are you surprised he didn't give general -- veteran -- would you know would probably presents yet.
The degree to which respond to Brett but which -- -- I'm surprised that is the abuse of the of power.
In this sense yes I'm sure that we have -- exactly and if we -- having this conversation without.
The IRS harassing conservative groups without the FBI wiretapping journalists.
Without the health and human services trying to -- down -- -- of medical companies are -- -- -- if we were having this in a different environment we have a different conversation and and so you -- -- -- -- Well not so -- take I'm Obama saying you know I'm gonna have the most transparent administration members of the hypocrisy.
You know bush was bad enough and then Obama is doing more and lying about it being such a hypocrite that makes it harder to take with a -- Surprised that the breadth of these yup I was Evelyn in the sense I I you know there are now calls for a new church committee in the senate and one night I think it's long overdue and you know we we keep talking about the you know defies the courts and all that.
We need to remember where that came from and it was thirty years ago or 35 years and.
I just think we were always gone I don't know I like history is really just he's finally we settled down for -- -- federal we generally safeguards could you put in -- it to.
We're ready for Watergate abuses of the IRS some always and we -- abusing Harris is a bully pulpit again.
But the difference I think -- is -- to have a major affect the -- entirely in America it's quite right that they -- be debated aggressively energetic live.
But as far as businesses guns around and trade -- any -- -- -- effective tool and I think the markets are brushing it off as a nothing.
But internal politics within America as -- law to be examined with great energy and I don't see that energy coming from congress -- -- -- no one's really that worked up about.
What's happened has to be a steady erosion every -- -- conference in American government.
And you know -- god we trust if you get to the point where the average Americans as you know I don't believe I don't trust anything I don't trust anything they say.
I -- just.
Don't they I mean when they said whenever fairest person only few conservative groups asserted it was to hundred no individuals turns out individual donors like the first thing with the Justice Department going after -- reporters turns out it was a lot more including a fox sports I just -- -- Anyone well not the first eroding effect.
You don't believe in your government right then.
Why are you doing anything to help your -- -- ironically.
Ironically might be people like Tea Party libertarian Republicans like Rand Paul and likely just the -- Tom Massey.
Who will actually regenerate belief and confidence in the government by actually actively investigating on uncovering all the abuse -- -- panel right.
Quite right I including an audit of the Fed I find it amazing that a private company can have trillions of dollars can go unaudited.
Another is that little detailed bomb but Florida to show you guys wanna take you all very positive he used to seeing unions as well on the -- dot.
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