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Hard for the second time an IRS officials pleading the fifth.
chairman of the advice and counsel I respectfully decline to -- questions and invoke my Fifth Amendment privilege remains silent.
Now bad deputy director refusing to answer questions about a half a billion dollar contract awarded by the RS.
Now turns -- the contract was reportedly given to a good friend of the guy now refusing to talk.
Apparently he learned from -- learner remember her refusing to comment on the targeting scandal.
I've decided to follow my counsel's advice and not testify or answer any of the questions today.
Now to the judge who says they should talk.
We should know exactly what they've done judge.
Charles is very very frustrating to the American people to those of us who watch this for a living you from a financial point of view me from a legal.
Point of view and to the American taxpayer we are their employer is that they.
They are our employees.
And they are -- privilege not to answer our questions.
If Roger Els who runs fox put me into his office and ask me questions relevant about my job here.
And I refused to answer he can fire me you have every right to do so.
Because he's not the government.
Right government is is constrained by the Fifth Amendment the same Fifth Amendment that would let you -- me remain silent in a courtroom.
Allows them to remain silent before their bosses before congress -- before the American people.
But they also think judge that this goes it.
Maybe -- look at this different in different leaving you look at and I look at another words made -- I don't think they worked for me and you may be they think.
That their bosses at 16100 Pennsylvania Avenue and that they're doing what he may want them to do by keeping shot.
I don't think there's any question that that's what they think.
I agree with everything your two previous guests have said as well as -- Many of our colleagues -- fox who have argued there is a culture.
In the IRS that we work for them.
There is a culture and the IRS that our property is theirs before -- -- this is actually some some ideological support for that.
But look there is a way to get these people to speak -- perfectly lawful way.
If the congress were to give immunity.
To one or two of them take a house it would take a a vote by both both houses of congress.
They would lose their Fifth Amendment protection.
They would then have an obligation to speak and had -- didn't speak to go to jail until they until they spoke.
The other way is to charge one of them with a crime but that involves the executive branch of congress doesn't prosecute.
And I really don't think we're going to see the day.
Where at eight a federal prosecutor working for the Obama administration.
Decides to charge one of these people with a crime the third thing the congress can do is to remove their personal immunity.
This nonsense about paying a thousand dollars an organization.
Coming from taxpayer dollars if it came from the personal assets of the IRS agents and and management.
Who abused their authority then you'd see that -- stop overnight.
Well I think -- you gave them all through those options numbers into the laughs when it probably wouldn't take it all the first when the immunity I think if you may grab but here's the thing.
How do you feel you're watching the proceedings because I watch it feels like there's one set of people -- mostly the Republicans trying to get at the answer.
In another set of people and I hate to say but the Democrats are really.
Playing our defense that they're blocking that that they're tackling and the truth.
Is -- going to be able to escape or -- gonna find out the truth the way it's going right now.
No I don't think we're gonna find out the truth the way it's going now unless the executive branch of the government the attorney general US attorney in dates someone.
Or unless the congress -- it requires both houses and therefore both parties.
Grants immunity or unless the president unleashes.
His his minions.
And -- -- -- silencing IRS we're never gonna find out what's happening and Charles this is not just.
A Republicans are good Democrats are bad.
Both parties do this one of the reasons the IRS has the broad discretion that it has to tighten the screws on one set -- 501 C threes -- C -- and loosen the screws on another.
It's because whoever is in the White House wants to be able to use the IRS has a personal tool of terror.
And presidents from both parties have done it.
Natalie extended that -- -- about that Barack Obama has done it but presidents of both parties have.
-- and perhaps anyone who is blocking and tackling now -- remember that this -- case a different group are -- different.
A political party gets in a White House next time because to your point it seems like the stakes keep getting raised.
And the big losers from all of this seems to be liberty the American people.
You've got to end our property and our assets and are harder conduct -- harder -- dollars.
-- -- you've gone now.
Just you know what you have been preaching this up from day one in almost every time I pick up the paper read about it I think you first.
I appreciate you taking out the time tonight.
You very kind that it's always a pleasure to work at the Charles thanks to happen banks now.
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