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-- -- So it's it's known if it's if you don't mind John and I wanna talk out of about it because there's a lot of talk whether he is.
Hack or -- You think.
It depends on which perspective you you want to look at justice.
From my perspective I think he revealed something that we all -- I mean we're being spied on by our government -- Who does not -- and -- is if it's it's simply mr.
Snowden has says so.
Put a quantitative value on it and given the exact means -- -- there's some of the exact means of a satisfying takes place.
That's -- that accent is a hero and telling us what we already knew and making us have to face that fact.
The US government probably does not consider him a hero -- Vladimir Putin the Chinese Government I think they both consider -- heroes.
You know he started Booz Allen what did the intent.
Of of getting this type of information and and exposing it.
-- but another similarity you confident -- -- you to work to Booz Allen.
I don't -- obviously know -- -- to -- and to be aspire to that but but what do you make of that.
But -- our artwork for Booz Allen and Hamilton from 1980 to 1982.
I did not work for them to be a -- it's -- management consulting firm and the jobs they get you are very cushy and they -- extremely well.
And the very easy that's why I work for yourself.
But Bruce Allen is is well one of the top three consulting conference's BC achieve write -- insulting McKenzie and his talent and so clearly.
But if the government wants high quality tech talent they're gonna go to one of the history consulting firms.
A great jobs and then I don't know whether miss -- started at Booz Allen with the intent of of trying to aspire or not.
I -- -- -- no information on that but it's a great company and and through debt that our relationship he was able to get access to information that most of us.
Can't get access to.
Yeah he said that was his go those are his words that that the went to get it was hard to get that up I guess there is why I'm asking is.
-- to your point it sounds like you leave -- that what he did was something good weather -- intentions were noble is still up to be decided that is that about right.
Well here's what I feel any any any -- disclosure of any information is good why should we be kept in the dark on anything good lord you know we're all adults here I want to know what's happening in my world.
Otherwise I'm I'm in the dark and I'm bumping into things and so are you sore real.
So to that extent you know I'm behind the guy let's find out what the world is all about what is our government actually doing don't you wanna know people are due.
So to that extent -- I'd back him -- -- also back his balls if you see if I can say the is that that on on fox or are.
-- He has the courage to actually do something -- its risks and now he's on the run.
Having been on the run many times in my life through the first many times -- I was in Mexico.
Sort of the last Simon police I know how difficult and how frightening that can be in the that the man is half -- image.
If you were here I think I could give them some very good advice and and and what what -- -- -- what would you tell.
Because number one and I Vodafone to stay in Hong Kong.
Hard to back alleys of Hong Kong are notorious for being.
Susceptible you can disappear into the back -- of Hong Kong you can become one of the masses.
The Chinese Government certainly has -- -- is an interest in tracking him down.
Tonight -- neither will they cooperate with any American agency.
You're right I mean come on -- you don't and a Chinese would have interest in a lot of the stuff he knows.
Well they -- but I mean you know unlike the Russians I don't think the Chinese would be.
Very harsh on him I mean maybe they would detain him for while but you know the Chinese are very.
What's the word.
They make good hosts -- at -- And -- if you're guests in their country you can -- fairly well and by the way I'm not dissing American here and I'm not saying I'm not trying to give the man illegal advice on this thing that.
Has it been his.
I would say the Hong Kong absolutely.
Now before go to quick break here that -- the one thing that has come up with with him Don is that if you -- a genuine whistle blow.
I think it's it's as -- -- was -- but it it it it it it was -- it was a move to.
Not be a whistle blower and do some good but to get out of the country through some bad that he there's a procedure for going to your higher ups are going to -- But you know an independent counsel or an inspector general.
He didn't do that he immediately went to Hong Kong which means to some of the people who don't like it very much.
He's -- spy and had -- intense when he's.
Well you know having having dealt with governments I think all governments are the same -- they they do not have much of a heart -- Human beings have parts of -- you can you can talk to him and say here's the situation I'm in what would you do and -- say well -- I would run.
You know I'm I'm not in his shoes are like I can't I can't -- justify or or broadcast.
Aspersions on his is decisions.
I know from my own experience.
What the Malaysian government want me to do would be it would be my desk and I know that for a fact so -- simply chose to go underground.
Are you could sit around John we're gonna get into that what.
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