The American Dream
In the midst of a heated immigration reform battle, Stossel's special correspondent Kennedy visits the border and guests debate whether immigration he...
Jun 26, 2013
In the midst of a heated immigration reform battle, Stossel's special correspondent Kennedy visits the border and guests debate whether immigration he...
Jun 26, 2013
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There's still coming to crush but I -- hundreds of thousands.
Illegal immigration is down but people still -- kids.
Have pretty good -- Right here look -- checking -- doesn't matter how high -- if you can cut a hole that we do need to seal her quarter.
I'm told illegal steal American jobs Georgia -- next but if immigrants are such a problem.
-- is Canada's immigration laws by billboards in America.
But the United States doesn't want to keep these people are messages -- take up the fight over the American dream.
They have -- show.
My parents were -- Germany.
They couldn't find work in Europe so they came here to America.
To people around the world America is the dream.
And as a libertarian I say let people -- lead on the end.
They should be free trade in labor as well as goods and services because that leads every one freer.
How can you let everyone in -- some of them want to murder us and since America now is a welfare state some wanna come here to free love.
America's answer has been well we'll let some people in legally but we should seal the border to keep undesirable is out.
And recently spent billions to put up a giant fence in the Mexican border so how's that working out.
Special correspondent Kennedy just went to the southern border with California assemblyman Tim -- Donnelley is a former member of the minutemen.
One of the volunteer groups that started their only border patrols to try to help stop -- illegal immigration they're caught between two governments are just -- So many politicians pontificate would never spend a day down here.
I reported in the minutemen four years ago where an illegal immigration was at its peak.
Bad news -- manner.
I don't know.
Security is at.
The Smart smugglers -- take -- to the weak spot there were lots of weeks dot slick is unguarded -- that lady -- to Mexico.
-- -- in Mexico about your violation.
Even where there was sentenced people got over it.
They -- letters like this when we found lying right next to the fence or they cut holes in the fence.
This one's been patched but doesn't matter how high offenses if you can cut holes and.
When illegals are caught sneaking through there are sent back to Mexico.
Many immediately sneak back to America it's where the job czar this man sent.
I don't got one through thirty or privatize it and I have rampant across Europe so it's four years later fewer cross illegally because Mexico's economy's gotten better.
And we've built bigger stronger fences and expanded the Border Patrol -- the Border Patrol nowhere here.
Korea wants -- president not here yet an hour later they showed up.
We're just filming a segment.
I'm and Tim Donnelly with the California State Assembly after that they left -- -- Donnelly wants more fences is this your ideal -- This is a good -- it forces people who want to smuggle something to go to a high point where law enforcement Border Patrol agents.
Can easily see them -- interdict them everywhere that's physically possible we ought to secure this way but there's a problem with the current events.
And here's this -- Big -- -- he sends.
And courteous and scalable.
And then all of a sudden.
It's -- that.
This right here.
Is absurd despite the billions we spent there are still lots of holes in the fence.
Especially the older parts this looks and pretty good -- -- right here.
You know this is this is an area that.
We have volunteers who came down with a welding truck and welded up these.
These holes but I mean it's just a patchwork quilt it is somebody could slide through there I got my pat Barton and going to Mexico.
And judging except now it's also not that hard to get over the fence drug dealers build rams this car happened to get stuff.
And Kennedy found it was pretty easy to climb the fence you tell you get that in fact there were foot holds on the Mexicans -- -- we've we've -- Any easier -- -- from the other side.
So Kenny thanks for going there and clearly there are problems we both found but.
Proponents of the wall would say hey this deters people this keeps a lot of people out.
Not really because there's only 33%.
Of the border that's actually protected by some kind defense saying.
But as you saw the -- This break that they and their 2000 miles and just the Mexican border just the southern border yes the -- just goes for a third of that yeah.
But that the other part is harder to get to mountainous.
And it's it's mountainous it's porous but there were holes all over just the part of the -- that that we saw.
And it in Arizona and Texas you're gonna see the same thing if and chain is only as strong as it's weakest link offense is only as effective as its biggest hole.
And this is the age of cool amazing technology I would think with drones with little cameras.
President Bush promised a virtual fence what happened.
Yeah and he did promise a virtual fence but it -- is costly it's still requires a Lotto -- patrol manpower they gave couple.
They did give up it was costing billions of dollars in dead GAO the general accounting office.
Issued several scathing reports about the virtual fence because it it was a boondoggle it was too expensive and it wasn't going to work and still required.
Just as much if not more man power.
And they could spend more but.
Most of the people who -- in the country now or is it 40% I don't have.
Forty to 50% the catalyst it says forty to 50% of people who covered this country and stay illegally are here on either tourist or student basis.
So we get a little visa and then they just cheat once they're already in the country yeah they they just hang out and and stayed pasts.
There visa -- So a wall doesn't solve the whole problem thank you Kennedy.
-- currently congress is working on immigration reform bill many people are.
Optimistic that they'll come up -- -- agreement now I may be an easier path to citizenship.
-- -- for one hope they do.
But many conservatives are nervous for years they wanted more done about that stream of people crossing the border.
We can't shut down often -- build a -- and they walk.
I want to listen but I want to put a wall and I design flow a little bit wire on top -- you up provided disincentive for people climb over the -- -- put a ladder there.
We -- also electric scientists at this wire with -- -- current that would kill somebody but they would simply be a discouragement for him to be fluid around that.
We don't -- -- all the time.
Candy for immigration problems should improve he says do you take it back -- If somehow they got there they get their economy working and got their laws working and in Mexico we can pull this back out this is easy we could put it again.
Former presidential candidate in Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo is for more security -- wants other measures to deter illegal immigration.
Congressman thank you for joining us what which until we showed the pleasure.
-- holes in the wall.
That doesn't look like the answer to me.
No it isn't.
And -- -- for reporter is absolutely correct when she said that you know it's only as good as it's who best -- its weakest link.
And certainly there are some places where there are no links at all.
-- and so it's itself almost a joke and -- for the most part.
It's done for the purpose of -- coming to the congress and the American people and saying we've spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the border it's now secure.
Fact -- you can spend hundreds of millions of dollars on the border and it still isn't secure as you showed here's what can be done all you have to do is.
Is mandate and then in force.
You mandated for every single employer they have to simply check Social Security go online it's like -- takes two minutes at the most.
-- you see the person who's wanting a job you look at their Social Security number you put in -- comes back good or bad.
Comes their -- since I -- -- -- the job go fix it I don't know what's wrong with this but the number is bad.
If you do that if you mandate and in force two important things there.
-- verified most of this problem goes away you say.
In force meaning that somebody would punish the business that.
Did hires someone without using.
Correct or if they use it even if they use it and still hire -- person whose whose Social Security number comes back.
Wrong that could be a violation and they'd have to enforce it.
And this sounds very appealing.
Just one computer database where you can check.
But you're conservative you don't trust the government why would you trust -- to run.
Right now it about 250000.
Businesses use it.
They use it on a voluntary basis it is a relatively easy thing to do.
Hum it it you we require a business we require businesses to do all kinds of things when in terms of hiring practices.
This is that probably the easiest step in the process it's a simple entry.
Into a database.
It comes back and right now it's like 98%.
Accurate par or better so.
But think about it at ninety they have pretty set created not 98%.
Accurate sounds pretty good.
And GA all audit in 2011.
Found it was even better 99 point 7%.
But that means about 450000.
Who are live jets get flagged -- illegal that's awful for 450000.
Americans they lose leverage our first thought it hit.
That is if they don't get the job is the issues they don't get it or they don't get to fix it it.
Well you know what this is not a 100%.
Of course it is it's not a 100% but but look.
It just depends do you want an answer to this problem that's -- my question do you actually want to do something about it what would you rather have as you said.
A labor force and up do dealing.
I mean that is affected only by markets there's demand.
People come and -- that wage rates are lower because there's a lot of demand so be it.
Now what's wrong with that and -- -- and -- -- I'm I -- -- -- well.
Well what's wrong with it okay how about they.
Millions of Americans.
Whose great wage rates are depressed as a result of that massive immigration both legal and illegal by the way.
The people who are displaced because of course they are presently working for more now the employer likes that and a lot of consumers would like it but the lot of workers.
Our -- going to be negatively affected by -- but what about all the Americans who do we have jobs because they work for.
Who caller yeah Al Gore these businesses created by immigrants.
Let them keep working and -- immigrants we're not trying to stop.
Every immigrant from coming into the country why not take immigrants that we need desperately people who are coming in with capital to actually do exactly what you said.
Invest in business people coming in with skills that we really need.
Right now frankly we don't need a lot of people with.
With low skills and and low wage rates they're just not that necessary what you say these we're gonna talk later in the show about H one B visas which are for skilled workers you call them.
-- -- -- they have been.
Why H one B visas were -- originally designed for was that person that has unique.
Nowhere else in the world can we find that person.
That's what it was designed nowhere else and not -- well -- -- standard.
Yes and on the other sectors are nowhere -- the United States can we find a person with that.
Qualification what it's turned into unfortunately again -- -- the audits that you referred to here earlier GAO and others have identified the problem -- that.
They're now being used just to bring people in who have skills definitely.
But will work for less than people who are presently employed in the United States are therefore the people in America are just -- skill than they could to take -- the people from India on the computer engineers are better.
Go to ask as I have and any of the institutions of higher education in this country that turn out those people it and say that you really are you really not turning out anybody that we had that that has these particular skills.
And they'll tell you all the time they are but they're in direct competition with H one B visas.
And people who work for less but a lot of the graduate students are from China and India there and they yeah there's skilled but they're not Americans.
We bring them over get my college education in the -- while it's true.
That's right well if you -- -- I remember I said if we need a particular skill our immigration policy should reflect that I'm -- for.
Lot of man but a work it's okay with me -- millennium.
-- on the outside economy -- just you Congressman Tancredo.
Coming up -- debated whether immigration is good or bad for America more on that and more on Google eBay Yahoo! hi we get.
More of them.
Yield one of these room -- it's -- the -- studio floor right now.
The company that made it I robot was started by immigrants just one of thousands.
-- and things we only have this we allowed some skilled entrepreneurs it.
And that's why we need -- let more foreigners into the US is Garry Shapiro who heads the Consumer Electronics Association.
So your group runs this massive show in Las Vegas where all these tech entrepreneurs.
Show off their stuff and you can really see the immigrant influence.
Absolutely there's 3000 companies that are exhibiting their 250000.
People from around the world including 35000.
People from abroad.
Many of them are pursuing the American dream they have an idea and they know they can expose it worldwide that way and get funding partnerships retailers and media coverage.
And they -- here because they -- network and Silicon Valley and stuff happens here absolutely I go around the world and I speak and everyone wants to be like America why because -- the best innovators in the world we attract the best and the brightest that's been our national strategy.
Every country should have a strategy on immigration.
We've lost arts in September 11 we showed off our borders and it's hurting us what do you mean we shut off our board really discouraging people from coming here other countries are getting out of -- her -- Well from -- -- very difficult for students to come here when they're when they become students -- they get their Ph.D.s we kick them out it's it's it's a crime almost.
-- kicking them out is the weird part that we.
Often we paid for their education in America -- help them pay for it.
And then what I think we have these H one -- -- where we left high skilled workers in 2085000.
Well we need more because though that allocation is filled up and a few days we also are few days in a few days because there's a long line of people these are specialized jobs that can't be filled by Americans.
And that's why -- like Microsoft and others are looking for thousands of people and that's why they go invest overseas between the tax laws.
And immigration laws were forcing our best companies to hire overseas opponents of expanding this -- say.
I'm we have American engineers they could do these jobs.
We have some but not all engineers and so offer people are the -- this is like the difference between the NBA and high school basketball.
America is a land -- exceptional isn't stands out -- we want the best and brightest we don't want to be students we -- top -- from around the world that's what makes this great.
The rest of the world used to come here now Australia.
Canada New Zealand.
Europe they're all saying we're gonna go after those best and the brightest students the National Science Foundation -- seven billion dollars a year into research and American universities.
A lot of that -- -- -- by foreign students in science technology.
Engineering and math and then what do we do we kick him out when they get that Ph.D.
makes no sense.
On that -- while we do -- he says give out some of these there are these quotas that limit the number and it's so complex.
So much so -- candid and I was paying for billboards like this one.
Have H one B problems.
Pivot to Canada.
Canada's immigration boss -- what the California to recruit Smart workers.
My goodness they need immigration lawyers just to figure -- how to keep.
Their status here while they're trying to start a business and create jobs will give you a green card when you get to Canada should take just a few months to process that.
Canada has something called a start -- -- so.
But the applicant if you get 200 foul from a Canadian.
Venture capitalists or just 75 south from a Canadian Angel investor group -- if you could speak French or English.
You couldn't go to Canada.
That's what do the when these are immigrants -- job creators were the highly skilled of their investors and that's an important to remember that's how we've grown as a country.
With the -- heterogeneous country in the world it's our diversity of the different points of view of the gives us that edge.
When we're compared to Asian countries where everyone agrees and thinks like.
They lack innovation the Chinese they have a goal of 2.4 patents for 101000 people.
But they're not gonna -- your plant.
And that's part of their ten year plan actually and that's what they're trying to do and it's something which doesn't make any sense because what -- really takes is a culture.
And that's weather's over 200 a terrible argument like we do -- it absolutely well I'll tell you there's 200000 Chinese students in the US today increasingly younger ages because they really they don't know how to teach kids innovate.
We asked our kids in schools they S why -- wind up they start lemonade scare in America and as an -- and we do it right.
In China they do -- our culture is right our laws are wrong.
And why 200 -- from a venture capitalists to 75 from an Angel.
What's the difference it's easier to get venture capital many I guess and is probably a policy we don't want is people buying people to come here so it requires a significant investment.
It's harder now that used to be for an immigrant to start a business here.
It's harder because so many people -- to do it we've made it much more difficult to get here we don't treat people as well as we used to they're not as welcome and we have competition.
We have higher corporate taxes we have a lot of things are working against us in the long term and we have to change them as a country.
If we want to succeed because other countries now are doing what we're doing.
And we are not and we're not getting the best and brightest where we used to.
I've seen Harvard Ph.D.s with tears in their eyes they're being kicked out of the country and they want to stay here and they want to hire people.
And they want to get jobs they wanna start companies that we shouldn't come out that we kick them -- we -- So then we let them go yes thank you Gary Shapiro you can learn more about what he says from this -- at home back.
How innovation will restore the American dream.
I sure hope the American dream is still -- there doesn't need total restoring but.
One way to avoid America's bureaucracy and immigration restrictions might -- this is weird to start.
-- -- own country right off America's coast on May be a cruise ship like this one.
My next guests plan to do that.
My last guess complaints too hard for skilled immigrants -- legally work here.
So if politicians -- allow engineers and physicists here here's another approach start your own business twelve miles off the coast of California.
Outside the reach American immigration control.
Well that's actually the plan of a group called bluesy its founders are Max -- and Dario -- time Tia.
-- -- -- -- -- We're creating a community twelve miles off the coast December Disco Bay Area.
To allow entrepreneurs from all around the world to come there.
Who live and work on their startups they're brand new early stage company on -- we -- community on a cruise ship.
It's on a cruise ship that's going to be essentially stationary they -- twelve miles off the coast.
And off the coast of San Francisco because that's where the entrepreneurs want to be.
This is place for silicon malaise some but Cisco Bay Area -- the -- -- city in places like that this is one of the best.
Locations anywhere in the world to start and grow businesses and high tech sector especially.
So this is the markets in Mecca for entrepreneur -- and many of the foreign Japan -- have a hard time coming to.
This awesome place the Silicon Valley is because of the certain restrictions -- -- face because they're not employees they're -- students.
-- entrepreneur horse they want to create jobs and paradoxically that the hardest I'm coming in.
And twelve miles off the coast you are free to do whatever you want independent of the government.
Well you are outside of the you're legally outside of the US is regulatory regime so outside of the federal government's.
Things like -- regulations and things like that.
And lots of companies of expressed interest we have more than four on the fourteen companies that expressed interest from 67 countries around the world.
So the demand is clearly not a problem because -- so many companies.
I left out her I'm frustrated and frustrated nativity current revelatory resigned -- they are faced with.
And people are or are -- giving you money for that's.
We have a win what would it cost you gotta rent the cruise ship.
Yeah you have to rent a cruise ship you have to pay for things like the crew on board you know moving provisions back and forth -- it's -- it's a pretty big operation.
It's gonna cost about 27 million dollars to get outs and actually start operations.
And so far we've raised what we've raised small seed round early on from some investors in Silicon Valley that was about 400000.
And now we have about another nine million.
Are reserved -- investor in Silicon Valley so we're looking for the remaining eighteen a -- what's his name left out right.
And we're looking for the remaining eighteen to to get going.
Originally planned to.
I'm looking at the picture here to build a whole city out in the ocean but that would have been with -- this down to the ocean floor and he wore -- to drop that the current solution is -- much more cost effective one.
Version of this so we would like to start that they leaner cheaper version that bill got the job done.
And -- immigrant.
Yes Simon -- myself and we went through the process was a torture.
Actually myself I came here on a political asylum so for me the process of Bosnia come from Bosnia saddled there was -- war there when I was child so.
The United States was gracious enough to extend -- -- mean my family.
And and as an -- I can tell you from a personal perspective that made a huge difference being here having an -- chance to do this.
And blue seats can be seen as my way of paying back met.
Pushing into -- I've been given.
Basically elect offered that to others.
Many of them -- As ambitious or more so -- deny and let us not and then I'm so.
This notion of American Jamie is definitely something that.
When a personal level I I believe in because I see it.
And -- your.
Parents were immigrants -- right they came over when Castro took power in Cuba.
And they came over to Miami and now they yet they themselves are -- -- -- they have a small medical business down in Miami is something that's different about immigrants.
I think there -- self selected bunch I mean if if a person's actually willing to.
Leave everything they have leave their families and go somewhere else they want change or lives or proactive about it they are more likely to get kind of person -- proactive about.
Creating a future for their families and improving their lives once they get here but I think it's important to mention that this whole country was founded by immigrants so -- -- American DNA it's not just the recent months like myself formats parents.
I mean the whole country has this.
And -- the world DNA because of the fact that.
People -- had to leave their countries and cross the oceans.
I think this is this story has.
If so that's all the ones so I see myself as a step part of it continuation of that -- some sort.
Thank you Max Dario.
Coming up -- debate whether immigration takes jobs from Americans touched on -- -- But next gay magazine says she is one of America's coolest young entrepreneur -- She says being an immigrant is part of what made her doctor bill.
Before we return to the debate over immigration let's celebrate a success story.
40% of America's biggest companies were founded by immigrants where their kids.
Apple but -- from Colgate IBM McDonald in the high tech field at 60%.
Who Google Yahoo! and all that.
Well she'll -- come -- new company.
Maybe he's the next monster success.
I don't know but she's already earning millions and ink magazine called her one of America's coolest young entrepreneur or so.
Why do you look cool young hunter -- room.
I don't know why do you days you didn't think -- not to bring our.
It's really I believe like most on different Karzai I work hard in death -- I like making things happen.
Your company is -- Z and marketing group you advise companies on using social media rights of the marketing zanger for a full service web marketing farm.
And you hit you went to school in the -- he came here when you were eight years old -- yourself nine years old you're -- drove a cab to your mom worked in -- dry cleaning shop.
My parents last sat.
Very -- very successful family business back home be moved here why -- at a better opportunity for their kids.
And -- -- worked very hard you know we lived in small apartment -- from having.
Lots of family surrounding me being goaded on by -- by grandparents to being a latchkey kids.
And is responsible for my younger sister.
I had to make sure she was -- that she was safe gotten up from school locate because my parents working a full time different and be home.
Wait after school was over so whatever I fed her as long as it was -- she was okay for -- chips that sick whatever room the -- area.
Is she alive she's like she's she's -- she's -- so I I did something right.
And we -- -- -- your parents work work ethic as a kid that they were may be different from.
The parents of the other kids in the school gadgets Lisa my parents working much harder -- then some of the parents and my my friends.
It just -- wake up really are Levy would come home late at night just so grateful to be sure that they were willing to work hard and I never -- -- complain -- got a break.
Ridiculously long hours but they never saw him say this is too tough please just kind of embrace that -- about -- the meaning of life.
And how -- you different from your American peers this.
General sense of -- Ailments that my generation often gets.
Kids blame -- it average and why Bernie I.
Little different than -- because they -- I solve what they didn't have and then you know compared to what I do hot -- -- and much more grateful -- -- of my peers and they didn't expect anything to be handed to me.
So when the recession hit in all these we all graduated -- never -- -- out in the market certainly -- industry didn't exist.
And out well I did it took me some tough but I really went out there I started my own thing I have a lot of that peers who graduated -- me who.
I still don't have jobs we're living -- their parents.
Who -- They went to companies yes and were turned down and you instead started her own thing you what you tried you went to companies and -- -- you could expand this thing with this thing called Twitter and they said.
This -- your crazy.
But that's but they said social media as a -- -- just didn't get it quite then.
-- is very very early days and so we decided.
A 23 you really don't have much to lose and you know it's like parents they came here with absolutely nothing and -- build something substantial -- you that he could be done.
Now you've got thirty people working for you -- Americans American castles go then and a book does end of social media marketing that's -- -- -- -- zen about that.
This is how to work with social media so.
-- is you know people want to -- conversations they're looking for quality information don't looking for customer service on -- still looking to connect.
-- -- that's rather than against it which is very the traditional.
-- -- to market -- -- a message out there push push push and instead if you really work -- social media.
Kind of look at why these tools were created and go with the -- -- it's a much more -- like.
Well -- good luck TO I hope you become a billion dollar company thank you thank you Schumer.
I next -- people like -- immigrants steal our jobs several ad campaigns say they do.
-- -- mass immigration -- jobs for Americans.
Polls show most Americans think immigrants take away Americans jobs.
And in some cases they do and so we see ads like this.
Another American -- -- shop.
Another breadwinner going home with a bad news and last year two and a half million Americans lost jobs and high tech construction and auto workers and engineers.
Get with millions jobless our government is still bringing in a million and a half foreign workers a year.
Just take -- -- jobs.
That sounds terrible and it is just intuitive that immigrants come here and take jobs that means there are fewer jobs left for America so upsetting fought.
It really bothers these people will movie maker found standing in line -- an unemployment office.
Bring in more immigrants in is gonna make it worse than it already is I'm all about us making it over here first.
We can take care of someone else.
Dennis Michael lynch interviewed those people for documentaries made called they come to America to.
Dennis says is too much immigration harms America.
Alex neurons those studies immigration at the Cato institute and he says that prevailing wisdom is crazy the more immigration the better.
Oh why it's it's logical that they're taken americans' -- -- not a not a fixed number of jobs in the economy.
And what we see is the more people that we have come to an area they are attracted to an area for a job opportunities.
And once they are there they create job to create jobs by being consumers.
By the -- for Norris by having different skill than Americans so they worked together.
For -- with Americans in the job market and -- we see overwhelmingly evidence throughout American history.
And never has come when there are jobs they don't come when there aren't jobs and when they come here they -- prosperity for everybody they create jobs -- here.
-- shaking your head and leaning away from him the body language test.
If you watch my film you'll see the truth those people are not actors.
And there were twenty maybe thirty million more people like them.
Who grabbed my hand.
And say Dennis please don't stop you doing because I can't get a job because they're being given to illegal immigrants from the being given to people -- temporary visas.
I've been watching your show from the green -- not once did you mention the unemployment rate in this country Americans.
Are hurting John they're hurting they are -- are taking their jobs but are they hurting because of immigration -- we interviewed people waiting in the unemployment line.
I sit aren't there -- that are they're trapped northern new jobs out -- and he went the wrong and we are lying John we then went around -- -- -- -- me out we went around we found.
Within two hours within a few blocks of this unemployment office forty.
Jobs 28 for beginners.
I think the immigrants try harder.
Try harder what together we really don't candidate for a little bit I don't think mr.
Google cross the Rio Grande.
You watch my films and you'll see hundreds of guys standing on the corner waiting to get picked up to build a roof -- to put in.
Windows right or to paint the -- Clinton meanwhile good for them okay.
We don't the last time I checked there's a lot of Americans construction workers who want to do those shops how we saw is that line of argument only makes sense if you think people or a liability and not an asset every single point he made.
It -- -- -- to be made against having more Americans moving your count are more people being here in general this man and I don't begrudge him for having his job but he's part of a think tank.
We have enough fingers.
If I had thought if I had a tank I would call it and do tech OK I'm out there do we.
I'm really meeting with these people are really going down to the border.
If you saw when I saw coming across the board of the little segment hadn't thought it was nice it was cute but that's not where the people -- really comment.
I've seen men with machine guns crossing over into the United States of America with sixty people let -- clip.
You look to the right you see a guy from the Middle East I find science -- give me the picture signs written in Chinese you think these people coming here to start the next although.
All of you know humans every argument you make -- an argument for increased seen.
Legal immigration and allowing these people to comment through the legal system so we can do background checks and anyway they are on welfare.
Okay that's not -- -- Israel that's not true that you I don't know business now you have no what I studied data.
I know there's -- you can study all you want.
Visit did you don't know you're talking about I don't -- -- -- -- -- things I do know when I talk about because I have had disastrous many of them since the day I was eighteen.
I don't want hear about Americans won't work card you're talking I have a right -- -- -- first -- -- -- as well John let me finish the point very important so far everybody had to finish the point where -- with the immigrant -- I'm not against immigration.
-- let -- immigration I've hired people through basis okay.
But there's a difference.
We're taking in too many people right now we're throwing the Americans under the box it's the same as saying I'm against new people being born it's an end tight -- and -- an absolute.
Only an I person argument does came arguments and any of the guys having -- common -- behind behind let Alex coming here jobs.
-- make an anti welfare argument it's great if he actually made an anti.
An immigrant argument during this entire sermon every -- he's using has won against the welfare state and I am totally in favor.
A billion dollars -- on a welfare state and what we see what we look at reality and data.
That immigrants are 42 they use 42% last night how it's not part and brilliantly -- It's not 9828.
The same arguments you did about terrorism in the same arguments you deal yeah I haven't heard of the -- in the -- -- haven't been down in 1920 no he didn't have you ever.
-- boy the bulls are pondering is his leg there -- -- -- He attacks and early twentieth century and credited to know more about your history because I don't know I don't -- yeah I don't -- how this is a lot.
Just -- savings at the same time in the twenties people said.
The Irish were drunks they be Italians were stupid Jews were obnoxious.
We have cold adds no Irish need apply OK as the point.
People of all is said these immigrants are gonna take welfare you just can't we can Alfred I appreciate your point at a time and I have appointed unmet necessities of -- -- here.
This same argument has been a little I don't know what it's all about what's turning -- -- has always been an anti immigrant attitude.
-- here works for an organization where people donate money to lots and lots of money very rich people but it's.
I understand it.
That Americans right now are hurting John and they're hurting because they can't find jobs.
I'm not saying stop all immigration on seeing slow it down a little bit let's catch our breath let's get Americans back to work let's make sure that.
George -- doesn't have to die saving you from a building could somebody.
Racial integration of interdependence one of the main arguments made by the founders against king -- of that team heated legal immigration to this country.
America's founders all integration of the birthright of a promise for this country that anybody could come here.
Noticing -- and I really hope at least six.
Holding any declaration of independence and they kind of -- unions get him free from -- thank you Dennis Alex.
-- in my and I should say that I.
I would not be here today in today's immigration laws were in effect when my parents came here.
I sure hope that congress is new immigration proposal will do some good because whatever you think the rule should be.
It's not good for America when millions of people live here in secret.
That means they don't report crimes to police often they don't pay taxes.
The neighborhoods where lots of people have no papers it's easier for criminals to -- Let's bring the illegals.
Out of the shadow.
In saying that though I contradict what are my heroes that I agreed economist Milton Friedman who once said about Mexican immigration it's better if it's illegal.
Because as long as it's illegal for people to come they don't qualify for welfare and Social Security so they migrate to jobs.
That raises a contradiction that we libertarians -- I believe in open borders -- products and ideas and people are -- -- move everywhere the whole world benefits.
Securing America's first hundred years open immigration helped make America rich.
But now America's a welfare state some people do come here just to free -- that's a big problem.
Seven billion people on -- most are very poor.
And some immigrants want to kill us set the bigger problem so we need rules and border control.
But policing illegal immigration would be much easier if we need to have so many laws and such restrictive laws.
If ten or twelve million people are here illegally how -- authorities possibly focus on the ones we shouldn't worry about.
Let's lighten up on the rules -- the immigration quotas.
My father was an immigrant.
He came here from Germany because he wanted to work and he -- work he eventually build a towel factory that employed a hundred people making named towels like -- He was good for America.
But -- odds are he would not be able to come here today the rules are much more complex and difficult.
People say foreigners should just get line and come here legally.
But that line is brutal this reason magazine cartoon tries to illustrated.
My father only had to pass a literacy test now computer programmer from India will have to weighted average eleven years to get a visa.
For others the rules are even more complex in the wait longer.
This website asks you questions to determine if your ancestors would be allowed into America today.
I answered them for my father learned -- is no path for people like him.
Except the lottery where the ads are really bad.
No wonder so many people sneak into America.
But creating a black market in people makes problems worse.
People want to come here work we -- Immigrants -- people with the ambition and guts to leave their homes to pursue the American dream they're special people.
And we should let most of them it.
That's our show thanks for watch.
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