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Joining us live here in studio -- warning Martha and -- -- -- Edwards snowed in saga now I see that the White House spokesman Carney outraged expressing official outraged at China.
For letting stood and leave that country apparently defied a Moscow -- he'll eventually get to Ecuador.
But why didn't come out and also trash Moscow for letting this suspect get to the country.
-- potentially because it's a double embarrassment I mean when you think about it that the fact that that we have absolutely no.
-- way over Hong Kong and the situation Hong Kong basically now one of there officials as saying that they gave him the get go like you know that you got a window here.
It basically we're gonna look the other way if you're ready to go you gotta -- right now.
-- -- -- -- -- ever talked about this last night that that the biggest.
Overwhelming fear here I think is at the United States has lost its -- its ability to have influence over these countries I mean.
Look at China look at then he goes to Moscow and now he apparently he's sitting in some kind of international holding -- we think.
In the Moscow airport so they're saying that he hasn't really crossed into their territory yet so that he's kind of -- that no man's land.
Where he can make a decision about whether I can go to aqueduct in there and also Russia can sort of say well we don't really even haven't yet so it's not really -- thing.
I'm out of the battle that is -- and put an Obama had with each other you know week or so god it was so prostate.
-- it does feel like we have so little leverage over these countries that are obviously.
Complicated relationships for us right now.
Us right after President Obama had had a really nice feel good meeting with that the new Chinese -- should try to do president.
We thought things -- gonna get a little bit of better there now it seemed like when the first revelations came out.
In the press from snowed in the -- that all my -- they're spying on everything.
That a lot of politicians in Washington about today OK we've done this -- Democrats it's not a problem.
But now it is that this guy made in the view of some as a traitor and he needs to be spent the last rest of his life in prison.
Is there sort of a gap between first thing everyone knew that we are surveilling and pretending like it's -- a huge damage to get it.
It -- seem to be a bit of a disconnect there I mean you're right the initial message -- congress approved as the Supreme Court has approved this kind of program.
This is something that everybody knew about but it but Angela wasn't in on I think the realization had not sunk in with the American people in a Broadway that it did after snow and released it.
Act as a huge question but now they're treating him like he's such a hot potato that it does make it appear that what he released is very significant.
-- -- -- -- -- Gotten so bad guys they should have been assuming all along that there are being -- putting flyers failed that you can use that -- -- her -- I mean that that's that's one of the great question -- you know is out kind of shaking and it's -- evidence.
Or or is this something that they always assumed was going -- My guess is the latter I always thought that the far more damaging leak was the -- came out of the White House apparently right after the Osama kill nation.
Where they came out a day later and told the media through sources unnamed sources that hey -- we got hundreds of thumb drive.
With the names and addresses of al-Qaeda members now that is a specific leak.
That warns these terrorists that they -- packed up their bags and move.
And yet no one on an investigation of those -- Still it's a great point I mean now is such a huge pat yourself on the back moment after -- -- -- -- was captured.
And member Robert Gates at the -- said you know we all agreed that nobody was gonna talk about -- he was.
Horrified and disgusted at the kind of stuff that was discussed after that case was by his own fellow administration asked -- -- which certainly makes it appear that when it serves a while they're happy to share that information but but this time around they don't like -- this has taken a lock.
Now -- the the Edwards still in case NSA has some sex Ellis has tech companies were -- between what the customers want vs what the government tells them to do.
And certainly is a big a big issue and yet I've heard some people say that the IRS scandal is far more ominous form -- pernicious for American values the idea that the IRS would.
Specifically go out up after a political agenda.
That they effectively.
Neutralized conservative groups from even being able to raise money and get involved in the presidential campaign.
But does it feel like the spy scandal you wanna call a scandal -- controversy is now pushing the IRS scandal into the shadows we're never gonna hear about it again I.
It's touched on something in that American psyche about being watched.
You know this whole idea I think we were all told it as soon as we started using you know iphones and until now.
When you hear it all about the list of the phone calls going from here to there and the kind of information that they have access to and then you couple that with what happened with the IRS.
I think there is an overwhelming kind of an easy nests in the country right now with how much information they have about us and and I think that that has -- generic.
That cannot be you know easily closed up -- -- It starts to get a little numbing after allowing almost begin to feel that well to be sophisticated out -- -- of course there conducting surveillance and yet it's been judged the -- title came on he had a great -- something like.
You know I do not want to of -- liberty in a country basically to protect -- country that has no liberty.
So wasn't nice nice point I think so much for me wanna -- great stuff Monica.
Great to see you make -- are out.
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