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-- administration -- angry at China for letting snowed and leave Hong Kong from Moscow -- even.
Angrier at Russia for refusing to release -- guy to the United States.
And Craig Smith says the US is looking -- And in -- -- he's not surprised and former CIA operative Mike Baker also here.
Craig let's W I mean China out of the idea that China protected civil liberties -- -- laugh and half the you think it's because of our debt picture here at home and that's why basically we're getting -- And it knows a -- -- overseas go ahead.
Yeah I think that's part of it -- but I also think it's a lack -- leadership in the White House I mean if you had a strong president right now he should be able pick up telephone.
Speak to the premier of China speak to Vladimir Putin I mean remember when you know before the election -- after the election I can be more flexible.
I remember back -- when Ronald Reagan was our president.
While he was being sworn into office 444.
Days of our people being held hostage -- releasing the hostages why.
Because they knew they had a strong man in the White House they didn't have somebody that was just playing president he was being president and leading and that's why I think that they're paying no attention what mr.
Obama wants quite -- You know mr.
baker to critics point here.
It's about restoring -- US economic strength you can have these grand global ambitions with your farm policy right you can do.
You talk about fixing climate change and global poverty you know people say some it was a yeah that's that's what we should -- -- kid do what if you don't have economic strength at -- right.
Like it's actually true and I -- you have to go back.
A number of years to find one our our relations particularly with China and Russia.
-- this bad and it really does speak to their lack of leverage the lack of of influence we have the lack of respect that we get from them but I.
I don't think you can discount also the the politics of this as well what I mean by that is -- I'm not going on on a limb.
By saying that you know this White House -- the -- John Ben Ghazi out of political fear.
Over what a problem on the ground in the Gaza could mean for the looming presidential elections so it's not a big stretch to say that you know is this White House really excited.
To actually despite what they're saying right now to get their hands on -- get him back here.
And then have the spectacle of the trial -- all that would mean keeping the story on the front pages ahead of the mid term elections I I think that he would be.
Discount and -- were looking because I I hate to think that the White House is so incompetent right now that they weren't able to pressure to strong armed to gets.
You know you make a great point Mike and Craig here's the deal I mean right now -- so in case what we know right now about it right.
It said this was that guy complaining about US surveillance of citizens let's be clear.
We don't know if there's any -- that he's getting -- overseas pick -- countries like.
Presidency -- such as China.
So what -- but the point being is is that essentially this is a story line where the Russians say the United States has been overzealous as a global cop.
That we could -- was reaching we've been overplaying their hand.
But to mr.
Baker's point that if we -- on Sibley United States that means instability in the middle -- -- it gets problems like in Gaza in Libya go ahead.
Absolutely right Mike Mike Mike -- hit at all it's all political look at Ben Ghazi.
We're gonna go out and get the bad guys man when he does nothing about it we wouldn't even know who told the story in the fib about you know was it was a video you can.
-- Mike's correct we've had a deterioration.
Of our -- our relationships with Russia and China.
And I believe part of it is due to the economic stress that we've had between the nations.
And think about it do we really believe the -- -- he does not want to have some dominant position in the world.
And if we have allowed relationships to get so bad to -- our president the leader of the free world cannot pick up a telephone which I doubt and again I'm speculating on this -- -- But I don't think he picked up the telephone and called the premier or called Vladimir Putin and said hey.
I need you guys to work with me let's work this thing out we need this -- back home we got to find out what happened.
And look Mike and I would agree this guy's a bad guy he stole things from America he's a thief at least.
I mean who knows what he's given up but again we don't know so why don't we work with China and Russia to get him back and find out what happened.
The answer is they're telling us to go fly a kite list and they have every every right to do it quite frankly because of the way they've been treated.
You know Mike outside it's still a striking and those small winery iron -- -- that.
You know civilians running to countries that are so against civil liberties I -- you get a -- civil liberties in China Russia innovative thing isn't that.
Different decades the US -- there's been complaints about the US being the world's global cop but right now it seems that -- to me that.
Countries are being more vocal and more forward about their criticisms publicly in the press go ahead.
Right well I think they can they can afford to do that because again -- our our credibility are gonna -- -- so much credibility because they you know it it really is lack of leadership and this sort of -- from a position of weakness and that they don't prove you love nothing more than to stick it in -- -- got the opportunity.
You know that the Chinese relationship has always been fraught with -- -- -- -- difficulties.
But it really is incredibly -- this point -- -- I get to your point about what he's actually told -- meaning what he's actually given up.
He -- Hong Kong and provided to the Chinese information about our national security posture towards that the Chinese Government.
Now you know people -- -- -- -- saying well look I mean that you know we are beating up on the Chinese over their decades of economic espionage and and stealing of our military government secrets.
And so it's only fair play but it's not we were working in a different world than the Chinese Chinese had an economic miracle because they were willing essentially to steal everything.
And so I I'm I'm worried that my ass with a lot of these stories that become so layered that you start of this fact over the trying to track of the though the matter -- Ladies aren't funny and yet you start to lose perspective -- -- certainly isn't a country a lot of economic liberties like we have here United States right.
Not aware mr.
baker go ahead.
Well I again I'm I'm I'm stunned I made the mistake early on in this in this the story was breaking to say that you know I thought we get -- back in short order I couldn't imagine that our relationship with China -- be so bad they would be willing to blow it up over letting him go I was that was wrong.
MIT team and let you go get a Mike Garcia thank you guys get to guarantee -- next such.
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