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Next -- China keeps getting away with -- us.
So no wonder if -- Britain India is getting in on the act and cyber criminals and that country -- -- hitting United States targets including.
The Chicago Mercantile Exchange inherited his inherited it is dean -- Bad habits are spreading deep stuff.
Well what we're seeing right now is to build off your previous guests.
The fact that we have a weak economy we have a president who is unable to make commitments that.
He can live up to it downed.
Most recently he almost desperately invited the Chinese premier.
Out to Rancho Mirage and the Chinese slapped him in the face but not even willing being willing to spend the night at the resort they stayed at the separate hotel.
To send the message we don't trust you and we don't think you're going to do anything if we insult you.
-- maybe take a step back and hear what you're saying pick a step back.
Isn't getting easier for any bit player to get an -- on the active cyber hacking or has this been a story that's always been after that has not been reported on Ellen and.
It is look somebody who's Smart with a -- can operate from a Internet cafe anywhere in the world.
-- if they're Smart they can create botnets and they can start doing all sorts of nastiness.
The problem mr.
Snowden as he knows all the counter measures he knows all the things that we do to try and keep other people from being able.
-- -- that clearly India hula cyber hacking in India and what would -- where -- go and after.
I think that in the case of India you've probably got actress -- interested in commercial.
Contracts who is going to make a play for -- and acquisition war would who would the Indians like to partner up with.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Com at this point there's probably cyber hacking coming out of every country.
But I think that India simply -- sheer size but also it's much more advanced IP capacity.
Is probably a little bit more concerned impact -- are you concerned that rather than these countries building a functioning economy.
That they're turning instead to cyber hacking.
I think for particularly countries whose economies are already rickety places like Pakistan.
Places like Venezuela they are going to look at this as the way out.
And it's not I mean the thing is that at the end of the day if you really want to build -- -- you have to have a fully functional system.
But -- some of these countries what they're really after his political they want political control.
And CIBER is a way to do that so it's both.
Which countries are you most worried about in terms of cyber hacking the United States and their companies here.
-- think China and Russia absolutely lead the pack.
Believe it or not North Korea's another source.
And on the were probably going to start seeing more things coming from South America so -- good.
Final question North Korea is cyber hacking United States what -- -- cyber hacking here.
They are trying to break into our military but they're also trying to break into things like our power grids.
-- and any other parts of the communications and information back -- Waste hurt the United States cheaply but -- okay dean Chang thank you so much to be with us for being with -- -- really good to see if there.
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