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New documents showing that NSA is indeed listening in on phone calls and collecting emails from ordinary Americans.
And worse yet it's holding onto these recordings for five years -- him reason magazine's Mike Reid says it's hard to trust the government.
This -- one thing in is going another -- you're absolutely right about that.
It just seemed like every day some new news comes out that this totally -- -- ring.
From the president.
Oh absolutely and you got to remember this is.
You know why not listening to phone calls -- and actually the original answer to the original question the original question is can you listen to americans' phone calls.
I was asked of NSA director Keith Alexander earlier this month and his answer was no when he was asked again it was.
Do you listen americans' phone calls and he said we're not authorized to do that and you have President Obama saying that's not something we do it's not what the program is for.
Everybody -- -- dodging the fact that this is actually something other capable of and something that they do other documents -- by -- -- into the guardian basically what they said was that.
You know occasionally NSA analyst do you listen to American phone calls and before they don't just you know.
They're going through that all right have a conversation there was no Americans they don't just stop listening when they realize they've picked up an American conversation.
In fact their protocol actually says listen -- that conversation as long as you need to determine whether or not so important.
Regardless of whether it is or it isn't the data still collected the phone calls so collected and -- -- -- as held for five years and.
There's -- thing Mike I think everyone.
It can agree.
-- lot of phone calls are coming into my house from Yemen or the mountains of Afghanistan and I should be a target you know maybe.
You want to delve a little deeper into what I'm going -- of I call my cousin.
And Newark, New Jersey a couple times and apple calls picked up.
It's it's -- you know the bishop did this transcended their -- shouldn't be so hard to understand.
That Americans want safety and we care about this but we do should be a line in the sand as well.
Absolutely and to people who say that you know the shouldn't matter to you.
Or you don't care I mean I think there's took a couple obvious good responses that one is that.
The federal government in congress have been adding a new crime per week to the federal code for the last several decades so there's actually a really good chance float through -- A criminal you have no say that again I think that's -- -- I'd never heard before tell us again this yet we got this the the house over capitalization committee which is looking -- who.
-- rolling back some federal laws.
Basically said at a hearing last week that on average because we now have approximately 4500.
Laws in the federal code that on average.
The congress has been -- about a law per week core crime per week.
For the last several decades more so when you when you think about all the possibilities for somebody to commit a crime and any sort of criminal intent.
You should be kind of nervous about the government having access to your private communications.
On the other hand is -- you know here's a great doubles after thing.
If you don't care about -- your phone calls is there anything you care about them seeing I mean I have shades on my window I have a walk on my front door.
There as there are a lot of ways in which I really do -- miss.
Some people some people about your privacy just because -- value privacy is not because they're trying to hide anything.
But what do you make then of this PR effort this week.
Fifteen terrorist plots events -- since 9/11.
Do you think that's made a -- doesn't mitigate the real headlines here of what's happened.
-- I've seen some of those some of those claims debunks both by conservatives and -- advocates by a lot of people all over the place.
And I think that there's also another you know -- -- -- here is could any of these events have been avoided.
Without tapping Americans I think there's actually a good argument that they can you know a lot of terrorist threats are thwarted just like a lot of regular everyday crimes are -- by good police work.
They don't necessarily require.
You know violating the Fourth Amendment or sort of pushing -- stretching or even breaking the boundaries.
You know establish federal law.
I did say like.
Personal your fantastic we appreciate it but.
I did not know that new laws are given new taxes a run for the money at -- yeah I know they're they're neck and neck.
Have a have a great weekend and I appreciated thanks for good for the news we appreciate it you know meanwhile.
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