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And country are -- -- -- wants to tell a secret how many times the government passed it to give away secret information now forget whether it has a lot of secrets.
The doesn't have a case ACLU.
-- -- Abdullah says global.
Has a case against the fight to court and he should now his group is suing the NSA over all of this snooping -- good to have you up.
What do you make of this and -- -- Google can push the point.
Well we all have a right to free speech in this country neo and when the government wants to take away that right.
And gag people like Google or -- anyone else in the country -- to justify that -- and the standard is one under the First Amendment it's a pretty high one because we're a country that respects.
The right to free speech but I think the basic point here is that.
Before we have an informed public debate about whether the surveillance authorities of the NSA are illegal.
And necessary we need to have basic information about how those programs are operating.
And Google is in a unique position to help shed light on that debate and for that reason it's a good first step that Google has asked to be able to publish some of this information now we don't think they've gone far enough they want to publish information about.
How many users have been swept up in some of these surveillance orders and the total aggregate number of these secret orders they get.
That's information that we need but they also should be.
Trying to publish information about the types of orders that they're getting and whether -- orders are getting are the dragnet type.
Like the one that we -- directed at Verizon -- they're wearing -- -- they're part of the debate.
Yeah that's or is now -- I know a lot of people say well you know those orders and -- out it's a big deal we're we're trying to catch some bad guys all left.
I think it's a bit of -- speeches are good myself but the leaving that aside I'd I'd worry about.
Whether they're not even orders I think when the government comes knocking and have a in any candidate whether it through it -- a tight border -- or are judged.
With a piece of paper.
More often than not my fear is and I hope I'm wrong the Mormon not a dig these companies -- -- -- whenever you want.
I just don't leave a -- and and if what if that's proven to be the case should we be alarmed.
About how easy it is for the government to get information sometimes without even having to go through legal moves to do -- If that turns out to be a case we absolutely should be alarmed it's one thing to have a commercial relationship with Google.
Where you agreed to give up a little bit of your privacy in exchange for some free.
Great email services -- map services it's quite another for companies to then turn over that information to the government and we sincerely hope.
That there complying with the law when they do so and not doing so when they don't have to.
But before we can have a debate about that we need to know and that's why what Google is doing as a positive first step in as a first step.
Here's what you're you're not here to judge what might be motivating this whether it's a late corporate guilt that they've realized that.
Fridays on fire right now and they got to put it out but oh what what do you make of this idea that whatever day.
And that however -- release it.
It is compromising material by definition but that we sign onto it -- subscribers and of the woods -- week.
We go ahead and use -- -- we go ahead and use Yahoo! where we go ahead and use.
Apple or any of these does ours -- we in that tiny print it's stuff that says hey your life is an open book.
Why I think that's a bit of a red Herring that's being pushed by big government.
It's one thing when we as Americans choose to give up information to our close -- or when we choose to email people using services like.
Google but we don't expect when we send emails like that for them.
To end up in a government database without the government having to go to -- court first or -- Wanna know why grandiose that I could have hired a lawyer but I I wrote one I think we data showed not too long ago but been at a carnival cruise on whether you know species on the floor it was ridiculous.
And they -- me with some lawyers show me the visit the documents he signed when you go on a carnival cruise.
And did it.
The argument was that the carnival.
Cruise on was protected against us that you did did this could happen that didn't spell out in that warning.
That hey you might end up but this is on -- floor -- things -- -- but it was sold abroad and though and it's a proviso so general that it covered.
Everything even back -- -- what is that.
You know sometimes the government has a right to get that information and sometimes that right.
Stems from agreements we make with companies when we choose to give them this information what they say that I don't know how -- nicely here.
I -- saying to -- is what has happened in that.
We're we're this this -- vote raids were showing now I'm not that anything about you is slow but.
-- that this braids is is misplaced because hey we -- surrender some privacy when we.
When we use these sites and we get on the net when we make -- -- -- and that that this is something we should recognize and sort of wake up to.
Well -- the government is going to access this very sensitive information.
And in some instances the government is justified in doing so but it is going to do so it has to do so in accordance with the rule of law.
Were -- -- country governed by the constitution and by the rule of law.
And by the values that make -- distinctively American.
And if we're to allow companies or anyone in this country to turn over this very private information about us.
Without complying with the law and I think we've really lost the commitment to our ideals.
And and our values as Americans which is why it's important that we.
No it's important that we know what Google -- turning over the types of orders that it's getting so that we can have this debate about what the proper line is when it comes to privacy.
Or else we so what's closely thank you -- see you -- outside depth of the ACLU.
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