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More humid to call on it is worth monitoring our -- is over this of the FBI's deputy director telling congress today but thanks to.
Surveillance programs capitalism is alive and well actually literally.
It was among the incidents -- with this new thing a terrorist attack on no less than New York Stock Exchange is one of more.
Then fifty -- -- stop by some good spies doing their job.
To terror expert -- Robert Strang.
Former FBI DEA on and on and not co chaired New York State terrorism task force your all things terror and I don't -- terrified.
But I know you could kill people -- -- look.
On but let me -- -- in all seriousness do you think.
All of these incidents didn't -- deputy directors cited today.
Were stopped by surveillance programs like this like but collected over a hundred million Americans -- records.
I think many more war you know -- because.
Terrorists look at the United States of America.
And they say that I'm gonna take a huge risk -- -- plan to do an attack in the United States on that soil.
So think about this if we weren't as aggressive if we didn't have all of these aggressive programs in place to identify.
Think about how easy of soft target the United States would become targets in Boston.
We had a lot -- place and it was so it William wanna know -- that was hit because it came from the local level we could have intervened in that we didn't there was a lot of mistakes apparently.
But you've got to remember this is like a three legged stool you're dealing with the enforcement operations with the drones and and -- surge is that you do in Yemen and Afghanistan and in different places and and you're also dealing with the intelligence information which is gathering it not only from the street level and local communities whether they be and -- you -- or New York City.
But did you ever envision and those days sort of because we've got on security -- everything else that part of the of the of the strategy would be collecting.
You know tens of millions of americans' phone records and sitting on.
Just in case well.
I knew the program -- in place I think people in law enforcement knew that to some degree they -- focusing -- iPhone not on the United States they were focusing on the target locations overseas where they knew al-Qaeda operatives work.
They were focusing -- I don't know I don't know seven million phone because how do you pick out who's involved here without looking at numbers in a big way.
You're not identifying anybody you're not going in on a wiretap for title three you need almost an act of congress to get a -- -- -- -- really don't have to do much more than get a judge to okay collecting records I'm not disputing -- site I I guess what bugs me just as it.
Someone who just wants his hang on to some semblance of privacy is how easy it is to invade.
Well I think we have to understand that to invade someone's privacy to somebody going to deal could do those emails to going to Neil Cavuto is personal telephone calls.
You really need to show probable cause to a US magistrate to get those warrants but you can't.
-- people in light of what have the Justice Department and targeting reporters on the IRS and targeting conservative groups.
That there is a pattern of behavior -- not related to the other but systemically where privacy is our -- and the government does leverage.
-- -- -- It's too soon to be Big Brother and and I don't disagree with that but I'm in the security business -- you ask me.
How do we keep safe what do we do this is one of the ways that we doing and I don't disagree with and -- -- -- -- Back to these phone records if you don't mind Robert okay date date they have them right there bullies phone records.
An anonymous from now so what are they do it did to -- the next step that is well then they found these records they will call.
Are people whose phones they might want to tap right the next step.
It's that well sure if they find it a consistent pattern from Yemen to New York for example.
They're going to disable what happened how long before these calls been going on -- they called a year ago or six months ago.
They have to put together their case to go to that next level so they'll go back and perhaps say yes these calls have been going on for quite some time there's no legitimate business there's no family relationship.
They've come up on a couple of other surveillance is -- different locations I think we have enough probable cause based on these telephone calls based on the other intelligence information.
To go to a magistrate and see if we can't get a warrant to listen in on their -- -- but.
But here's where right get back to the -- -- a guy like you.
Does your your trusted and admired on both sides all sides of it why -- like I'm getting but I would say this that I'm worried about the parent.
You know ego maniacal not.
Who has -- that.
In in either.
Someone with a different last name.
Or someone -- calls seem weird and then goes on a witch hunt out of the blue.
But this -- you must've worked with some crazy.
Look at I I look at it this way.
And I grew up in the government you know and I understand how it works but there are checks and balances and I know we've heard some crazy things over the last six months to a year.
But really for the most part you gonna get people like that we're gonna go out and do something wrong every once -- once known someone did something wrong.
In my view he took an oath as I did as an employee with a top secret clearance if there are ways to go about that I think he should've gone to congressman king I think he should've gone to the senate I.
What do you make of former whistle blowers do that maybe because of their experience in the NL he made in paying dearly for for for trying to blow the whistle on something.
He would be screwed so he went and ran off to China to -- -- more -- -- point.
Suits and not repeat the same day.
Well look I I think that we talk to most whistle blowers they agree they would have done it a different way.
Had to do over in terms of their career in terms of their personal finances.
Every one of them have been hurt really think about it.
And if they had to do it over they do -- a different way this way that he's doing it is is really the same kind of thing I'm doing it.
Out in the open I'm not gonna hire a lawyer I'm not gonna go to a secret meeting with US congress.
-- religious -- why don't you don't think he's some.
-- no I know you think he's a trade.
Well I think that he violated his oath as an agent with the clearance with the government.
He wasn't -- -- and he was a contractor with the government which is essentially the same thing.
I mean he is taking he is taking this job taking the clearance saying that he'll maintain the confidentiality.
And we're using a lot more of these kinds of people today than we did twenty years ago but nonetheless they're acting like agents they're acting like government officials and they need to.
Honor their clearance and he didn't do that and Robert Frank good singing and opening -- thank you -- --
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